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hello everybody happy saturday and thank

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you for being here so i i've been

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looking forward to this for some time

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now um i want to give a quick shout out

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to gary hesseltein for putting this

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panel together for me uh so thank you

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gary um so yeah let's jump straight in i

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want to introduce everybody um first of

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all the man himself gary hesseltein gary

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how are you

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i'm fine thank you thanks for having me

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as a guest

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thank you and next up we have mr

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francisco correa

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i knew that was going to happen i'm

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sorry francisco

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korea

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there we go that's fine

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next up um welcome mr don schmidt hi don

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how are you hey benny pleasure to

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finally meet you thank you thank you for

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being here um next up um a man that's

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been on the channel before

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we all know him mr victor vigiani how

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are you victor just fine just fine

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vinnie thanks for um for putting this

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together really appreciate it hey well

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thanks to gary for for contacting you

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all in that so

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um but yeah i'm glad you're all here and

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the first time mr

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dave hodger and dave good evening how

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are you great

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very much hey pleasure's mine thank you

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so much for taking time out to do this

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and we will be joined as well by georgia

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pierzenza i think he's just popped off

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to get some headphones

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so yeah so gentlemen thank you all for

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being here now

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i just want to give a shout out to roon

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uh because roone was gonna join us from

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denmark but i believe that he's ill so

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get well soon roon and and then suzanne

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hansen from new zealand i think she had

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some family things um so our best wishes

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with suzanne as well so i just wanted to

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say that

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so let's jump into the discussion so

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obviously we're here to talk about isa

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publicly you've been sort of live let's

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say for seven months but i'd like to

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hear about the inner workings of and the

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preparations leading up to that

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happening so whoever wants to take the

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i think if you're going to start talking

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about the

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origins of icer it's it's okay i think

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gary or don are the most

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uh qualified for that when when we've

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talked when i came on before and we

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spoke about the origins i'll quickly go

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over it um literally

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the origin stem from what turns out to

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be a failed chinese disclosure

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initiative that initially involved don

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and roberto they went to china on

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several occasions and it looked like it

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was going forward the chinese were

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saying can you get hold of

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researchers from around the world

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and we'll try to pull a conference

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together

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that actually transpired in october of

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2018 in moscow

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and it was at that point there that don

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contacted me and i was one of the

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i think eight representatives the that

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was there at the time and that was one

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of the highlights of my life to go to

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moscow with red square and the beauty of

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the city stunning so that yes that's

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something i always remember from there

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we waited on the chinese to in a sense

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come back on their plans but that failed

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to materialize we never really got the

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true story but suffice to say that by a

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year later by of october 2019

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that was the anniversary of the moscow

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conference we said if we don't hear

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anything by then it looks pretty much

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like the chinese initiative is dead that

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came and went and then of course we go

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into early 2020 and then we suddenly

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find ourselves entering a pandemic which

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and then we're into lockdowns and things

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like that and it was during the

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lockdowns that i began to think well

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we've got a lot of good will that we've

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developed preliminary discussions with

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uh researchers around the world and

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scientists and whatever

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so it struck me that it would be silly

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to lose all that and then because of the

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lockdown i realized that everybody

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started to use zoom and online medium

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skype and whatever and i thought well

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that's where they're staying in touch

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with the relatives so why don't we try

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doing it ourselves so i took out a zoom

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pro account and then started contacting

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everybody and said well i you know it's

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blind leading the blind but why don't we

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try to do it ourselves

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and then literally

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that's what we've done so we began our

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zooms in june of 2020

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and gradually built up over time we we

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got more people involved and now we're

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28 nations

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plus we have maybe 11 deputies in

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around some of the countries

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so you know we've come a long way

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and there was a literally a year of

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planning before we launched on the 25th

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of may and that day it wasn't uh plucked

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randomly that was aimed deliberately to

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be a month before the anticipated

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release of the dni report on the 25th of

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june as it worked out we weren't sure it

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was going to be released but it did so

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it's worked out so we've now been live

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seven months but behind the scenes we've

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obviously got to know each other pretty

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well and we've we hold various types of

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different meetings and we've all got to

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know each other very well and so

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i think it's now time that maybe some of

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the others to say what it's like when we

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have meetings are very informal

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um but we we have a laugh and we we you

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know we take care of each other

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it's not only it's not only zoom

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meetings we had conferences in san

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marino in barcelona where we had the

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opportunity to meet in person with some

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of our members

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just to add something that gary was

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we started having exchanging some emails

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in with most part of the group in march

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february march of 2020 then we had some

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skypes and then we moved to zoom so this

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was a build up um

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yeah and we we know each other very well

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for now it's

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yeah and and i cannot i tell you what

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there's one thing that i always

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impresses me is that in all the

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and i've hosted most of the meetings

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we must now be in excess of 100 plus

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meetings easily

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that we have never had

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an argument

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representative or deputy on the floor of

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a meeting like this which if you think

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about the subject matter is pretty

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well you know unheard of

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you know ufology is notorious for

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fallouts and group against group

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but i can honestly say that we've never

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had a fallout uh we try to keep it light

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but we you know we have lots of open

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and especially and gary would be witness

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to this and i certainly hear in the

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that in these particular two countries

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the subject is

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is more cliquish than really anywhere

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else in the world

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i mean where people have set themselves

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up to be in competition with one another

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and here the very idea that we have 28

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representatives deputies that we can sit

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down and it i i hearken back to when the

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late uh stanton friedman

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and i often would panel or guest

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together or even be on a documentary

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and we would always agree in advance

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we're only we're going to present a

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united front

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there's no reason to bring up anything

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that we disagree about because i mean

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that's behind the scenes it has nothing

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the progress as much as we have to work

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monumental is the subject of ufos that

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any one of us would feel that well we're

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the end-all or i have all the answers uh

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as we we've all pointed out within the

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group just to be introduced as an expert

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on a subject

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that how can be an expert on a mystery

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on something that we're still all

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chasing phantoms trying to come up with

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i'd like to also mention that and i know

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and and victor was certainly very

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prominent and part of when we had the

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citizens hearing in washington in 2013.

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for me this is where the spark

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because when we testified before those

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and one of the things they suggested to

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us beyond even congressional hearings

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would be uh putting on a joint

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presentation for the u.n for the united

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nations

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and we for them it would be an uphill

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we saw this and that remains i think our

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primary goal within isis

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that we would be recognized by unesco

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that we would be able to actually

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present papers that we would be able to

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have conferences at the u.n

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and truly make this an international

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and i think that any one of us could

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then walk away and say mission

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accomplished that we

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succeeded in in performing uh as far as

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an act that no one here before has been

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able to accomplish

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and i think that would be just a

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tremendous and i think that's one of the

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reasons that all of us

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are are so intent on seeing this through

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with icer because this is a unique group

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there's never been anything like this

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before even my my former late scientific

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director dr jalen heineck

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he had his invisible college

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where he had different scientists from

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different countries but there was always

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that stigma that taboo

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well we're beyond that now we're able to

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finally say

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that we know there indeed is an

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extraterrestrial phenomenon behind this

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entire subject matter

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and that as representatives of our

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respective countries that we're uniting

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to put forward that position and now get

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on the train be with us because we're

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just getting warmed up

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excellent well said victor you got any

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victor anyone

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sentiments because it is indeed unique

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that icer is a collaborative effort and

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all of the things that i've ever been

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involved in uh since i first began this

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this crazy stuff back in 1975

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the individuals have attempted to propel

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themselves forward as as don mentioned

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as as the provider of answers and we all

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know that that's not the case and the

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only way to get this thing together

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on an international global

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format or scale is a collaborative

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effort and with the countries that we

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have represented

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in icer it's an ideal format and it has

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to be something

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that once we reach the plateau of

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international recognition

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uh i

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know

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that

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the research community if i could use it

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that way and even the general public

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will ask the question well who you guys

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are

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presenting is this just one person in

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you know in toronto or one person uh in

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in kansas or wherever no this is an

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international representation of 28

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countries who have uh represent

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representatives that all feel the same

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way about this and we are united in a

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goal to bring this forward forward at

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the highest possible level

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both in the media and uh with respect to

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you know researchers and and all of the

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uh you know the great you know podcasts

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that are happening we have to present a

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united front and there's no there's no

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way that we can emphasize that uh too

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much and that's the one thing that sets

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us apart um as unique and we have to

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raise this level of discourse to an

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international global uh platform that

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that all media and all government are

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are recognizing and the one thing that i

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would like to to sort of mention we

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could talk about this in a few minutes

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is the way the united states congress

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and senate are sort of coming together

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i'm not using the word uh you know

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flagrantly but they are coming together

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in a coalescence that we've never seen

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before

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so we have to take advantage of that

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coalescence and use every resource that

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iser has to bring this forward on an

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international level to the u.n and

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there's

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all kinds of ways that we can bring this

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thing forward to the u.n and i think

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that's the the next step that i think

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we're taking with respect to icer and

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and its influence uh globally

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yeah

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giorgio or dave either of you want to

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chime in on that kind of yeah um i think

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what binds us together

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really is the oath that we all took when

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we uh when we joined isa and that is

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that uh you know we sincerely believe

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that there is a non-human intelligence

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probable extraterrestrial intelligence

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behind the subject and that we would be

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willing to state that publicly that's

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essentially what they're the oath and

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that's a viewpoint that i've held for

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for many many years uh i've been

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actively investigating the subject for

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14 years now

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but i've you know believed in it many

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years before that and it's very nice to

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join a an international organization who

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uphold that view and they're not

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embarrassed or shy away from it or sit

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on the fence with it but have made a

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stand and made that statement and that's

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really why i'm really proud to be part

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of isa and where we're going with it

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yeah excellent well said and yeah i was

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having another look on the website

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earlier and it's very clear the

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statements that you make as a group are

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short concise but very to the point uh

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oh we can't hear you i don't know if

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you've muted yourself or not

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oh

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maybe if i take this earphones off can

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you hear me now

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yes can you hear us okay

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i can hear you now barely but i can hear

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you

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um well i was saying that

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i have been doing this

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research in a

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integral comprehensive manner contactees

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science philosophy

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the whole activism a little bit

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even working with the military here in

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peru since

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1975 in general i started with a contact

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experience from my family members

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so

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and i've seen this lack of unity in the

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in the in the ufo community

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all the time

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but it's usually a lack of unity in many

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many areas of human life right

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um but i think that we are on a new

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stage and isa

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is really uh representing this new stage

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finally finally

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um

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researchers united

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with think with common purposes

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and um

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there were there were

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some participations from peru in the

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united nations

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many years ago

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i think it was back in the 80s

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when a

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contactee friend of mine

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was invited to speak about these things

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that that we are not alone

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that they are here

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that sometimes they provide evidence for

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the for the people that want to see the

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evidence

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and we are on a new stage i think

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after

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uh this first stage in which all of this

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is being recognized officially

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i think that we may then go into the

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possibility of contact of demonstration

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and i believe that one of the things

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that latin america can give to the world

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is

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uh because the type of contacts that

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have happened besides research has also

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been

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ambassadorial

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collaborative

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participatory voluntary with particular

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types of beings manifesting in latin

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america through different contactees

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sometimes it's very real very objective

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and can be verified

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so i think we are

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we can offer this to the world this is

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one of the things we can offer from

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latin america

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fantastic um i've just got a viewer

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question here so naive essence thank you

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for the donation as asking has isa

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gotten any ideas from the previous

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initiative by lee spiegel bringing the

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topic to the un bringing in scientists

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like jack valet etc

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oh well i think

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can i answer this one um

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the

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[Music]

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i think the reality is is that we're all

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in ice very aware of the

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grenada initiative with us gary

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and indeed

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uh recently we have launched our own

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attempt to get to the united nations

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there are various different initiatives

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but the first one that isa has done is

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operation titan

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which

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we've put press releases out and this is

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through

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the remit of using san marino a tiny

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satellite republic in europe to

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hopefully for them to say okay let's it

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has to be a nation state that goes to

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the u.n and says we want to do this we

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always ask a question so we have

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presented papers

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called operation titan about our idea to

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ask san marino to adopt

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a conference

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in under the auspices of the united

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nations

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so

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that has been submitted they are now

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considering that proposal but if they

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decided to take it to the u.n

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then we would be in a historic situation

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and if the un were to grant

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san marino that special un status then

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we were we would absolutely be on page

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news i think around the world because

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that would be a major step forward but

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in reality there are so many things

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going on now

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that are unprecedented

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and i think everybody is in agreement

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that 2021 is probably the most important

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year in ufology since the 1950s i can't

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certainly think of any other time

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especially legislative wise in the

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gilly gillibrand's

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amendment uh is adopted

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uh passed by parties as victor mentioned

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then we really are into historic waters

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and just to put this into context

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i'm obviously compiling ufo truth

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magazine at the moment and and i

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research articles online and funnily

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enough maybe two hours before this show

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amazingly i came across an article in

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the financial times well the financial

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times is the top

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you know financial

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magazine as it were or outlook newspaper

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in the united kingdom and they've got a

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serious peace in the financial times now

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i never thought i'd ever see that so

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i've quickly grabbed it and i'll put it

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in the magazine but and i'll post it

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online but this is unprecedented because

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they're actually looking at it about

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technology recovered technology well

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what happens if these things are real

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what if they are

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non-terrestrial that means that you know

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we could maybe acquire this technology

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what would happen into our own

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technology don

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and

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where this is as gary says unprecedented

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is in for the fact that here in the

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states

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we've always

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known that there was a a faction with

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within the pentagon

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that saw this as something beyond human

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comprehension

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that it frightened them to the point

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that if we can't bridge the technology

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then it's almost at the level of being

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supernatural

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and how do you investigate that

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but yet

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we were we were learning more and more

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of this growing faction within the

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military the the young officers

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that wanted access they wanted the truth

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to come out because they still realized

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that we were dealing with someone else's

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aircraft so to speak

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and that if we cannot assess that we're

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dealing with earthly technology

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then

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we need to be you know we need to have

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full access

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to

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as far as all the data collected

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and

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it's one of the reasons that we became

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all the more concerned about roswell

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because we we saw that the old order was

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not passing it down to the news they

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were taking it with them

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and the military has a long history here

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in the states

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of dying with their secrets

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even withholding it from their loved

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ones

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and and i think that's where we have to

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step in all the more

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and one of the things that we've been

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pushing for especially here in the

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states and i know my ice or colleagues

567
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:08,240
would agree with this wholeheartedly is

568
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:09,200
that

569
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:10,720
they need to open this up for

570
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:13,440
congressional hearings that as congress

571
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:16,400
finally approves and then needs to take

572
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,360
action

573
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:19,200
they need to then grant immunity to

574
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,200
potential whistleblowers

575
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:23,360
and that's one of the one of the areas

576
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:26,720
in which i feel that icer couldn't step

577
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:30,960
in as a mediator or even as a negotiator

578
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:32,320
in the sense that

579
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:34,960
if congress won't do it then icer will

580
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:37,039
do it we'll provide a front we'll

581
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:39,440
provide even legal

582
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:40,960
consultation

583
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:44,080
if you have inside information and the

584
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:46,000
fact that you would be you would not be

585
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:48,880
bound by such security measures by

586
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:51,360
speaking to someone in another country

587
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:52,880
so to speak

588
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:56,240
and so we we foresee that this is

589
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:58,880
opening up doors you know

590
00:23:04,950 --> 00:22:59,760
never

591
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:04,960
and how relevant that is all going to be

592
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:07,360
happening on the 75th anniversary next

593
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:09,280
year of roswell

594
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:11,280
and that we've come full circle we're

595
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:15,039
talking about physical material

596
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,400
and that's something that we can get our

597
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,720
hands on that's something when you hear

598
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:20,559
former presidents here talking about

599
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:22,640
well i want to see the documents

600
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:24,880
well no i want to see the damn wreckage

601
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:26,480
i want to see

602
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:29,440
physical elements what hardware you have

603
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:31,280
been attempting to reverse engineer

604
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:33,440
after all these decades

605
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:37,039
so we need to further educate we also i

606
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:37,919
sir

607
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:40,640
as it already has demonstrated and will

608
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:43,520
continue to step to the forefront as

609
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:46,000
being historically

610
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:48,080
the uh provider

611
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,880
of

612
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:50,400
ufo data

613
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:53,279
on a global basis that again has never

614
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:55,120
been available

615
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,470
what i can say without revealing too

616
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,559
much detail is that

617
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:04,480
the executive council the leadership

618
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:07,440
advisor recently we had a meeting just a

619
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:09,840
few days ago uh where we're going to be

620
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:12,320
rolling out three significant

621
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:13,279
uh

622
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:19,840
or for january february and march so

623
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:21,840
we you know

624
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:23,679
whilst some people may think oh well

625
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:25,360
it's gone quiet

626
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:27,600
reality is that there's bureaucracy

627
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:31,120
there is time elements etc it takes time

628
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:32,400
to get things together

629
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:35,039
approved and whatever so but we we are

630
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:36,559
going to be announcing some big things

631
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:39,039
in in the next few months or

632
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:40,880
in succession so

633
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:43,919
this is where we're at and we we

634
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,960
will continue to do that because uh it's

635
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:48,720
important that we have to bring this

636
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:50,960
global message and say look people have

637
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:53,600
got to start recognizing this but

638
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:56,480
just before i bow to georgia

639
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:57,440
i am

640
00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:59,919
pretty naffed off forgive the phrase

641
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:02,159
with the national media in various

642
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:03,679
countries that they're not taking this

643
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,480
seriously despite this legislation

644
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,400
especially in the uk especially in the

645
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,320
united states where there's all this

646
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:12,960
coverage this now shouldn't be beginning

647
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:14,960
beginning to be front page news because

648
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:17,120
this is real news and i've been saying

649
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,520
for a long time that the uh that the

650
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,039
media are the ones that create the

651
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:23,360
pressure on the politicians not not

652
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:25,600
ufologists and researchers

653
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:28,000
they can use their power of the media

654
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,600
and they need to start picking up the

655
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:31,679
baton and running with us much more than

656
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,520
they are

657
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:36,000
georgia

658
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:37,360
yes uh

659
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:40,480
well i i wanted to say also ice

660
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:43,360
represents something that goes beyond

661
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:46,559
the need for qualified experts

662
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,360
usually the government requires

663
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,840
qualified experts meaning

664
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:53,600
accredited people that work for the

665
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,240
government with security clearances are

666
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,120
the ones listening listened to right uh

667
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:01,279
people working for major institutions

668
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:02,720
something like this

669
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:05,360
um i think that either will be needed in

670
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:08,000
order to reach the civilian community

671
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:10,480
and the politicians

672
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:13,360
parliaments congresses

673
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:17,440
uh without the need to only recourse to

674
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:18,640
qualified

675
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,159
experts military experts or or that of

676
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:24,400
that kind they are fine

677
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:27,200
but we can also offer a another type of

678
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:28,400
connection

679
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:30,159
with politicians and the civilian

680
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,000
community

681
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:34,080
perhaps more flexibly

682
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:35,919
perhaps

683
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,159
without the need of uh holding needing

684
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:40,559
to hold back information so i think

685
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:42,400
eiser also has that role to play in the

686
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:43,679
future

687
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:45,679
giorgio you make an excellent point and

688
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:47,840
it's something that i

689
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:50,720
i make a rule to always remind

690
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:53,679
people in the media that whenever they

691
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:56,880
uh cite a military slash government

692
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:57,919
source

693
00:27:02,549 --> 00:26:59,440
or information

694
00:27:05,789 --> 00:27:02,559
they have to realize that they're

695
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:05,799
talking to someone who is highly

696
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:07,600
compartmentalized

697
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:11,440
they only have access to the information

698
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,120
and they're only able to provide that

699
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:15,679
information if they have clearance

700
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:18,240
and the advantage that i sir the

701
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,399
advantage that each one of us

702
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:22,799
in representing our respective countries

703
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:26,240
even within ufology is that we are not

704
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:30,159
limited we are not restricted as to what

705
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:34,000
we investigate what we examine what

706
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:35,840
documents that we

707
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,279
go after

708
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,279
uh i could mention the vote victor and

709
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,360
gary can you imagine that we would have

710
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,360
the citizens hearing

711
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:46,000
upcoming next year

712
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,440
in washington and then invite you know

713
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:51,120
all of these duly elected

714
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:54,159
representatives come and hear this on a

715
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:57,200
global scale on a global level

716
00:28:01,750 --> 00:27:59,600
so this is something that i foresee

717
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:01,760
they'd be potentially icer

718
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:03,679
could even on a limited scale but

719
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:06,559
nonetheless put something on

720
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,279
even via zoom for example

721
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,039
that we would

722
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,120
we would fill that void we would provide

723
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:15,440
that opportunity

724
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,640
just following on from that um

725
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:20,640
in certain countries

726
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,440
some of our representatives and deputies

727
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:25,200
have got good links to military

728
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:26,240
personnel

729
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,600
whether it be

730
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:29,679
currently serving senior military

731
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:31,840
officers and also retired senior

732
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:34,640
military officers now

733
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,360
recently several of us who were present

734
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,120
in barcelona

735
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:41,679
were able to see some footage from a

736
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:43,520
south american country that was

737
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:45,919
absolutely bornified south american

738
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:47,360
military footage

739
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:50,000
so and one of the things that may come

740
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:52,480
from that it's not organized yet but we

741
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:55,279
are trying is that

742
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:57,679
it's been talked about as a possibility

743
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:59,600
that certain countries

744
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,039
may

745
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:02,960
use isa

746
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:09,190
as a method to get this kind of footage

747
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:10,960
out into the public domain

748
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,520
now if that could say for example a

749
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:15,679
country said okay we want to release

750
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,399
this

751
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,720
uh authorized military footage from our

752
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:20,960
country don't know what it is we want

753
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,520
you to use it however you best think

754
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:25,200
because they obviously trust us to do it

755
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:26,880
in the right way and not sensationalize

756
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,720
it not make money we're not for profit

757
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:30,799
that kind of thing then that would be a

758
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:35,600
huge accolade for isa and a huge um

759
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:38,000
vote of trust i guess

760
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,360
that we're trying to do it in the right

761
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,760
way and that i think ties into what don

762
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,159
is saying is that because none of us

763
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:46,640
hold security classifications

764
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:49,440
and yet we are now a global body

765
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:52,720
then actually we may be a conduit

766
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:55,360
it may be far easier to get documents to

767
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,640
us that

768
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:58,559
they can say right i can't do it in my

769
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:00,880
own country but can i send this

770
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:03,279
sensitive document to you blah blah blah

771
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:05,919
for safe keeping and we're going to be

772
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:08,080
announcing things in due course along

773
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:10,080
those kind of lines

774
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:11,919
can't say too much at this moment but it

775
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:14,159
ties in with what don is saying we have

776
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:16,960
got military links discussions ongoing

777
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:19,520
and if these can be formalized and we

778
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:22,399
are used as a conduit then that's only

779
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:23,840
going to be good because we're not going

780
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:26,000
to profit from it we just want to seek

781
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,000
in the truth we just want to get the

782
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:30,799
evidence out there and if bureaucracy in

783
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,840
certain countries stops that

784
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:35,520
and somebody wants to say well let's

785
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,520
take you out of that and let's go to

786
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:39,200
this interim

787
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:40,320
uh

788
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,360
body

789
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:43,520
in order to get this footage out then

790
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,880
then that's going to be absolutely

791
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:46,559
brilliant writer and that's when we'll

792
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,720
start to make a real impact when we have

793
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:50,640
one those kind of breakthroughs but i

794
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:52,399
think i think it's coming

795
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:53,840
but we have to do the groundwork

796
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:56,399
nobody's going to give isa a seat at the

797
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:59,519
top table unless we justify it so we've

798
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:01,360
got to justify our place at the top

799
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:02,240
server

800
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,720
yeah i just wanted to so can i just

801
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,480
quickly jump in we've got a question

802
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,760
here now i just got to jump back because

803
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,200
we were talking about the media and how

804
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:11,039
they need to do a little bit more

805
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:13,519
my good friend sean here is asking um

806
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:15,200
gary but also everyone else i'd like to

807
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,080
hear victor dave and francisco as well

808
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:20,159
um do we think there's something akin to

809
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:21,600
what the church committee found

810
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:23,919
happening now as far as the media being

811
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:25,360
infiltrated

812
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:27,279
so gary that's to you but if anybody

813
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:29,039
wants to chime in on that kind of thing

814
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,159
please do

815
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,399
i'll just give a quick one on that um i

816
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:34,559
know that the church are taking this uh

817
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,279
subject very seriously and we we indeed

818
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:40,080
we have uh one of our deputies uh

819
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,960
vladimir bibalotti is his well-known

820
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:44,880
connections with the vatican he's a

821
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,240
member of israelis the isa

822
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:48,640
representative deputy representative for

823
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,360
uh

824
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:51,919
for italy and he has close links with

825
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,480
the vatican senior personnel senior

826
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:56,640
scientist so yeah he has briefed the

827
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:57,760
vatican

828
00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:59,840
and had discussions there so we're well

829
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,760
aware that various religions are taking

830
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,080
this seriously they have to because this

831
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:06,159
is literally going to be

832
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:09,360
a paradigm shift in terms of

833
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,120
we know that they're real now and the

834
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:13,440
question is at them in the media is

835
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,320
loosely based it's either foreign

836
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,480
adversary china or russia or it's from

837
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,640
elsewhere well the media is still stuck

838
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:22,320
in this it's gotten before an adversary

839
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:23,760
because they can't get their head around

840
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,120
the elsewhere well we know through uh

841
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,760
scientific data that's been accumulated

842
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,519
that the performance characteristics to

843
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,519
go on and blow the foreign adversary

844
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:35,840
argument out the water they simply don't

845
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,559
have the technological means to do

846
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:40,559
what have been described by these navy

847
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:42,960
pilots etc so it's going to move away

848
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:45,039
from that to the unknown at some point

849
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:46,799
when that happens it's a paradigm shift

850
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:49,840
so all religions all sectors of society

851
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,320
all countries even the ones that were

852
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:54,559
absolutely give no coverage to it are

853
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:55,919
eventually going to have to come on

854
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,159
board at some point don

855
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:00,799
yes uh i i like to always quote former

856
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:03,760
cia director william colby

857
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:06,799
and uh this is the actual quote and i'll

858
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:07,919
read it

859
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:11,360
quote the cia owns everyone

860
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:13,519
of any significance

861
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:15,279
in the major media

862
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:17,279
that's here states

863
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:18,240
so

864
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:21,840
we we see that as omnipresent

865
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:24,799
here today united states that

866
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:27,519
you have five major corporations that

867
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:30,399
own all sectors of the media

868
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:33,600
and the major corporations

869
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:36,240
that due to their uh commercial

870
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:37,679
sponsorship

871
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,880
of uh

872
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,559
media networks

873
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:43,200
is what determines whether you stay on

874
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:46,080
the air or not that type of thing and so

875
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:48,799
there's as much statism going on right

876
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:49,760
now

877
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:52,640
and and much of it suggesting

878
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,240
that there has been this this control

879
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:58,399
by u.s intelligence

880
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:01,600
of u.s media which that heist has a high

881
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:03,760
degree of influence over you know the

882
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:04,960
global

883
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,000
media so that's where again i sir we're

884
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,639
not under such obligation we're not

885
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:12,240
under such control

886
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:16,079
and we'll be free to unitedly speak

887
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:19,119
against the status quo present the

888
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:22,159
information as we see it to be the truth

889
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:25,520
and not allow the influence of the media

890
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,760
as the old saying here in the states the

891
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:30,000
moment the government tells you

892
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,079
to do something

893
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:34,800
run the other way the moment the

894
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:36,320
government tells you

895
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:38,320
we're providing you the truth

896
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:40,639
and that's no more evident than it is on

897
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,560
the subject of ufos

898
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:44,879
believe the opposite and that certainly

899
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:47,760
has been a case of 74 years of deception

900
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:55,829
i just i would like to yeah i think it's

901
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,240
destructive okay

902
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,000
sorry go ahead

903
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:02,400
i'd just like to reinforce

904
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:04,640
the fact that people may not be aware of

905
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:06,640
this or may

906
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:08,320
confuse this

907
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:11,440
icer is not a group of friends

908
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:12,720
or

909
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:18,560
it is registered with statutes with

910
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:21,200
with bodies with legislative bodies so

911
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:22,000
uh

912
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:23,839
that makes a difference in terms of

913
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:26,400
recognition before uh

914
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,920
government officials uh between before

915
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,960
countries

916
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,320
so um

917
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,480
and it it also

918
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,480
gives the responsibility that we are

919
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:38,640
here for the long term so

920
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:39,839
um

921
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:40,800
there are

922
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,800
there will be elections uh so there's

923
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:48,720
all sorts of procedures

924
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,040
uh recognized by law

925
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:53,040
that um

926
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:54,880
put pressure

927
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:57,920
in icer of course it is really demanding

928
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:00,640
because it's 28 countries 28 different

929
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:03,520
personalities 20 different uh cultural

930
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:06,160
backgrounds which is quite demanding of

931
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:08,000
course uh but

932
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:09,040
um

933
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:11,119
this is a real organization it's it's

934
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,920
not just um it is something that people

935
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:15,680
need to understand this is not just

936
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,119
facebook or or a website this is real

937
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:21,520
we are we are an international ngo you

938
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:23,040
forgot to say that a bit but that's what

939
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:25,280
the thing is so we are registered in

940
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,079
portugal in international ngo here for

941
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:30,320
the long term to hopefully to reach the

942
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:33,040
un at some point um but

943
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:34,880
it means we're not for profit so we're

944
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,560
not going to make any money out of this

945
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:38,160
how many swimming pools do we need each

946
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:40,000
you know how many cars do we need

947
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:42,000
seriously we're not in it for the money

948
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:43,839
we're in it for the passion which has

949
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,760
always been where i've come from and i

950
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:47,599
know and i've got to know all these

951
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,760
representatives and they're all like me

952
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:51,680
they just want to see the evidence come

953
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,280
out and there's never been this credible

954
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:57,359
uh global approach before and that's

955
00:37:01,990 --> 00:36:59,280
what we're trying to do i mean one of

956
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:02,000
the things that i think uh that we hope

957
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,000
for because we're not for profit with

958
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:06,640
donations so that and we're apolitical

959
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:09,520
so what that means is at some point

960
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,800
i think uh maybe uh rich people rich

961
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,640
business people will go

962
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,720
actually i like this approach

963
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:18,480
and i want to give them some money

964
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:19,599
because they're trying to do it in the

965
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,680
right way and maybe it might be a

966
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:23,280
sizable bit of money and then that would

967
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:24,480
allow us

968
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:27,599
to create these uh conferences to create

969
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,680
these delegations where we could maybe

970
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:31,520
go to other countries and say look we've

971
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:33,040
got a five-man delegation we want to

972
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:34,960
brief your parliament

973
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:37,119
that'd be nice wouldn't it and because

974
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:39,200
we've not got security classifications

975
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:41,119
we can just present what we consider the

976
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:43,040
best evidence and the best evidence from

977
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:45,520
around the world is hugely compelling

978
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:47,119
but they'll be oblivious to it they

979
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,720
don't know anything because most

980
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:50,400
countries have been under the this

981
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:53,359
deception for 70 odd years so we've got

982
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:56,400
a lot of latitudes that gives us freedom

983
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:58,400
to develop in ways that other

984
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:00,720
organizations have never been able to

985
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,560
achieve before victor

986
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:04,400
yeah i don't want to i want to sort of

987
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:06,720
reinforce that that idea that uh

988
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:08,560
francesco and you just put forward with

989
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:11,200
respect to uh in iceland being an

990
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:13,280
international organization

991
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:16,079
and i i i don't think i'm overstating it

992
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:17,760
by saying and i realized that

993
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:21,440
gilderbrand and uh gallego and you know

994
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,599
mark warner and all those individuals

995
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:25,200
the united states senate are coming

996
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:26,480
forward with whatever they're coming

997
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:28,000
forward with

998
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:30,160
it is important to understand that

999
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:32,480
they have been in one way or another

1000
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,359
uh

1001
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:35,760
been briefed by by the us navy there

1002
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:41,670
of these senators and other senators uh

1003
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:43,680
from the u.s navy and these briefings

1004
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,000
have been from the way i understand them

1005
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:48,400
very comprehensive so they have access

1006
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:50,800
to a body of information uh that's been

1007
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:53,119
within the navy for decades and i think

1008
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,560
we all know those of us who've been

1009
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:56,160
involved with the ufo research community

1010
00:39:02,470 --> 00:38:59,200
for decades know that the us navy is

1011
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:02,480
probably that the key turner the the the

1012
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:05,359
the embedded uh knowledge holder of the

1013
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,440
ufo issue you can talk about the air

1014
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,440
force you can talk about the the army

1015
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:11,760
and other aspects of the of the military

1016
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,000
in the pentagon but the u.s navy has

1017
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:16,720
been involved in this issue for decades

1018
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,079
and probably even longer now with that

1019
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:22,800
in mind you have to ask the question

1020
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:24,880
who has gildebrand

1021
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:27,359
gillibrand been talking to because in

1022
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:29,359
her in her summary in her in her

1023
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:31,839
amendments that the language that she

1024
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:34,480
has used that's not the language of the

1025
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:36,960
us senator it's not the language of a

1026
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,440
staffer who dug around for 15 or 20

1027
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:41,760
minutes or even two hours within ufo

1028
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:45,119
research the languages

1029
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:46,880
she

1030
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,560
talks about a number of different things

1031
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:50,480
if you read the the amendment you'll see

1032
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:52,960
exactly what i mean so what i'm getting

1033
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:57,440
at is in fact icer has the same level of

1034
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:00,160
um of knowledge or intuition call it

1035
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:02,800
what you want of of research we've

1036
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:05,680
already done their work for them

1037
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:08,240
it's that we have done it don is part of

1038
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:10,079
it and all the other people who've done

1039
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:12,880
this over the past you know 65 years

1040
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:15,680
have been doing this research and if the

1041
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:18,800
us senate wants to really uh compel its

1042
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,800
audience to understand what's going on

1043
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:22,720
they have to go to the ufo research

1044
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:24,880
community they don't have any other

1045
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,200
alternative in order to create not only

1046
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:29,200
their foundation of knowledge but to

1047
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:31,920
create a level of public accessibility

1048
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:34,240
and credibility with respect to the ufo

1049
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:37,280
issue so icer can play a very very

1050
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:38,400
important issue

1051
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:40,640
a rather a

1052
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,040
very important part in bringing this

1053
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,119
stuff forward so that not only does the

1054
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,599
u.s senate realize that icer is a group

1055
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:49,599
that has all of the evidence research

1056
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:51,280
behind it but it also has the

1057
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:53,440
credibility of a number of ufo

1058
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:54,720
researchers who've been around for a

1059
00:41:04,230 --> 00:40:57,200
long long time so this is all part of

1060
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:05,910
will be coming to icer for their

1061
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:07,200
information and not just to the u.s

1062
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:08,160
senate

1063
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,599
and and i think there's one thing that

1064
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:11,359
we admit we we should be saying we're

1065
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:14,640
not just ufo researchers isa comprises

1066
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:16,000
scientists

1067
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:19,040
academics and researchers but on the

1068
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,480
researchers side

1069
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:22,480
we've got literally we added it up one

1070
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:25,280
time well over 300 years

1071
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:27,839
of research background

1072
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,880
added together from our 28 countries

1073
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:32,960
don's got 40 odd years i've got nearly

1074
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:35,680
20 years and you've got victor 30 40

1075
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,760
years you know you've got to people like

1076
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:39,599
suzanne hansen with 40 years in new

1077
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:42,319
zealand cheryl gotcha in australia

1078
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:46,800
another 30 40 years we have tremendous

1079
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:49,920
people with a wealth of evidential

1080
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,319
material i mean we're talking about the

1081
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,200
best caliber cases uh the the military

1082
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:57,359
pilots the commercial pilots the radar

1083
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:00,319
operators but people who've gone out and

1084
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:03,440
devoted their lives to their passion

1085
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:05,119
they've not become rich they've not

1086
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:08,240
gained a notoriety they're not famous

1087
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,680
but they've done it because they were

1088
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,240
touched very early on like i was

1089
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,160
something touched me when i decided at

1090
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:16,800
16 that then brought me back in my early

1091
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:19,599
40s to get involved now what makes us do

1092
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,839
that now when you actually talk to many

1093
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:23,920
of our researchers you will find that

1094
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:26,000
they've had catalyst moments in their

1095
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,640
lives that have then come back and then

1096
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:30,960
taking them down this very kind of

1097
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,920
strange rabbit hole i mean just just as

1098
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,040
an example

1099
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,200
for me to stand at the same podium as

1100
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:39,680
jfk at the national press club and

1101
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,200
gorbachev and reagan and nixon etc that

1102
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:45,520
is bizarre from a little old guy from

1103
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:48,000
scunthorpe in lincolnshire but that's

1104
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:49,760
the kind of strange path that this

1105
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:52,720
subject will take down walking on red

1106
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:55,359
square listening to tom jones

1107
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,880
in the background as a song and i'm

1108
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:58,400
thinking i can't believe this this is

1109
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,359
just surreal tom jones playing music

1110
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,520
in red square it just doesn't go but it

1111
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:05,760
was one of those surreal moments so life

1112
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:09,119
is a very unusual route but people have

1113
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,480
got a lot of common commonalities in how

1114
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:14,640
they've been sucked into this subject

1115
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:16,880
and we're not in it to become rich we're

1116
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:20,160
not in it to make money or

1117
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:21,680
become famous

1118
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:24,800
yes you have to have a certain ego

1119
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,160
and there's nothing wrong with ego if

1120
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:28,240
it's used right the problem is in

1121
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:31,359
ufology the ego is often used wrongly

1122
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,960
you have to have an ego to be able to

1123
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,560
stand up in front of a few hundred

1124
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:36,720
people to go on radio shows most people

1125
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,200
would run a mile but the people that we

1126
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:41,520
have got we have got some fantastic

1127
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:43,839
people people like lacazette phillipov

1128
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:46,319
who's an astrophysicist he he was the

1129
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:48,319
person that the bulgarian

1130
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,839
uh

1131
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:51,359
country

1132
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:54,079
chose to teach their astronauts now you

1133
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:55,920
can't get any more better scientific

1134
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:58,480
recognition and trust than that we've

1135
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,640
got a guy called eamonn ansbo as an

1136
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,880
astronomer who is

1137
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:04,800
as a book i think coming out january

1138
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:06,319
february he's going to be in a chapter

1139
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,079
that will feature with multiple

1140
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:10,480
astronomers including navi love from

1141
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:12,000
harvard who has obviously become very

1142
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:14,400
well known in the last year or so so we

1143
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,040
have some excellent high caliber people

1144
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,599
and it's a mixture but yeah the majority

1145
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:21,920
are going to be researchers because we

1146
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:25,040
want to do something and nobody has ever

1147
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,800
been able to organize properly the the

1148
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:30,960
ufos subject should have made this

1149
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:33,440
breakthrough 30 40 years ago as an

1150
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:36,319
international body but because of egos

1151
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:37,920
because my group's better than your

1152
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:40,000
group i'm not telling you my stuff and

1153
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:42,319
blah blah blah it hasn't happened and

1154
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:45,680
that's our fault ufology's fault but now

1155
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,839
we're actually into a different ballgame

1156
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:49,599
and i think obviously helped by the

1157
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:51,920
developments from the new york times the

1158
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,119
the navy videos from 2017 we are close

1159
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:57,200
to a paradigm shift and whether it's

1160
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:59,119
reported in the media now

1161
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:01,200
uh it's got to be at some point it's

1162
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:02,800
going to be on the news at some point

1163
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:03,920
because we're getting close to that

1164
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:06,000
paradigm shift don i'm just gonna jump

1165
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:08,000
in one second don because i'm gonna let

1166
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:09,760
don speak i'm gonna let you speak next

1167
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:12,160
don dave i do want to get to you my

1168
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,839
friend i don't want you to feel left out

1169
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:15,839
over there but don's with us for a

1170
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,920
limited time so we'll let don talk and

1171
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:19,680
then dave i promise i'll come back to

1172
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:21,290
you after dawn sorry no probs

1173
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:22,880
[Music]

1174
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:26,800
when the office of uh the director of uh

1175
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:29,440
national intelligence here in the states

1176
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:30,560
in june

1177
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:34,160
received that report from the pentagon

1178
00:45:38,309 --> 00:45:36,560
and we even had a a bit of a debate

1179
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,319
going on within icer

1180
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,319
as to whether this was going to finally

1181
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:42,160
present the smoking gun

1182
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:44,079
or whether this was going to be the the

1183
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:45,200
same old

1184
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:48,160
you know dangling of the carrot

1185
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:51,040
with hopes that there might be some form

1186
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:53,119
of disclosure and then i think we

1187
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:55,119
finally all agreed that it would be

1188
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,280
disclosure with a a small d so to speak

1189
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:01,680
but one of the things that we did not

1190
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:03,280
anticipate was the fact that they

1191
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:04,880
limited the scope

1192
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:11,200
of their investigation only back to 2004

1193
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:12,640
and to me

1194
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:15,359
that that sends the message that they're

1195
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:16,720
still

1196
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:19,520
saving either russian or chinese

1197
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:22,079
technology as a fallback

1198
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:24,079
that after all is said and done

1199
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:27,520
that because they're denying any pre

1200
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,160
uh contemporary history dating back to

1201
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:32,880
1947 as we all know

1202
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,040
when it began here you know

1203
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:37,200
on a global scale

1204
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,480
and

1205
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,480
i i was very

1206
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:43,119
uh very proud of the fact that like

1207
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:44,160
senator

1208
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,920
warner for example when they came out

1209
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:47,920
from one of the briefings

1210
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:50,880
and he made the comment he said

1211
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:52,880
if there's if there's going to be no

1212
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:55,760
information about roswell

1213
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:58,400
still covering up

1214
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:00,160
so i think

1215
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,560
there's a crack in the dike right now i

1216
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:04,319
think because

1217
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:07,680
on our side we have power the drum beat

1218
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,720
has continued after all these years

1219
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:12,960
that there is a rich history that this

1220
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:16,319
doesn't just go back to 2004 this goes

1221
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:19,440
back 75 years

1222
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:22,000
and in a time when russia was hardly

1223
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:24,960
behind all this when china

1224
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:27,040
was still i'm sorry

1225
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:29,040
they barely had a plane to their entire

1226
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:31,920
military back in 1947

1227
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:34,000
and so

1228
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:38,160
we we need to especially drill home the

1229
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,880
idea that there's this history

1230
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:43,200
prior to 2004

1231
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:45,200
and that the public needs to come to

1232
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:48,160
icer and that it was just limited to the

1233
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:51,040
us or just canada or just south america

1234
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:53,599
or just europe that there have been more

1235
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:55,520
sightings throughout the world than

1236
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:57,440
there are countries represented in the

1237
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:58,960
u.n

1238
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:01,040
and that's where again icer

1239
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:03,680
will be in a position

1240
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:06,079
not being limited not being handcuffed

1241
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:08,640
not being under security oats that we

1242
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,839
can become the most reliable of all

1243
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,920
sources to the media

1244
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:15,280
i know it's a

1245
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:18,240
major uh obstacle

1246
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,079
as far as on the part that we've never

1247
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:22,400
done this before but at least in the

1248
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:25,040
last year we've demonstrated

1249
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:26,800
that in a not only presenting united

1250
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:27,920
front

1251
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:29,359
we become

1252
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:32,319
colleagues in the sense that we want the

1253
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:33,200
truth

1254
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,960
it doesn't matter what country it

1255
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:36,480
doesn't matter who

1256
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:39,760
we all win any one of us win we all win

1257
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:42,559
and we have that attitude at icer and i

1258
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:45,520
think that's phenomenal

1259
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,200
david let's come to you yes

1260
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:50,960
anything you want to like discuss out of

1261
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:52,319
the things that we've we've said yeah

1262
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:54,480
yeah absolutely yes i think the freedom

1263
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:56,960
of information is a very important point

1264
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,520
that numerous other reps have been um

1265
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:01,520
have been focusing on for many many

1266
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,040
years the public

1267
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:05,040
in general kind of feel that information

1268
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:07,839
is being held back by by our governments

1269
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:09,440
by our military on this subject and

1270
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:10,240
that's

1271
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:11,839
something we want to try to move away

1272
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,559
from with isa we've gotten we genuinely

1273
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:16,800
have no hidden agendas with this if i

1274
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:17,920
felt there were some kind of hidden

1275
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:20,079
agendas with isa i wouldn't be part of

1276
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,960
isa i would move away from it um i've

1277
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:24,960
i've always been a down on the ground

1278
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,599
researcher i've i've dealt with hundreds

1279
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:29,520
of cases from around the world i don't

1280
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:30,960
just vote i am the chairman of

1281
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:32,640
birmingham ufo group so a lot of the

1282
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:34,880
cases come from around the midlands in

1283
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:36,960
the uk but i've dealt with cases as far

1284
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,559
as australia i deal with cases from

1285
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:40,880
everywhere uh i think my earliest case

1286
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:42,559
went right back to the 50s as don said

1287
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:43,920
this has been going on a lot a lot

1288
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:44,960
longer

1289
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:48,000
than um than the last decade and uh i

1290
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,079
know that the um the u.s navy they're

1291
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:52,240
focusing on more recent incidents that

1292
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,920
have occurred because those are the ones

1293
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,280
that they're studying in depth and

1294
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:57,680
trying to capture the radar information

1295
00:50:02,069 --> 00:49:59,680
but when you when you hear louis

1296
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:02,079
alessandro talking publicly and chris

1297
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:03,839
mellon they they refer to these old

1298
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,160
cases that have gone back many many

1299
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:08,720
years uh expressing exactly the same

1300
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:10,960
flight characteristics so this is far

1301
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:13,520
from a uh from a modern phenomena and

1302
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:14,880
that's something that we're all aware of

1303
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:17,119
and i think that in that

1304
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:18,960
comes the reality of the subject the

1305
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:20,720
fact that there is something truly wild

1306
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:22,079
going on with this

1307
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:25,119
and and the um the argument that it's

1308
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:26,480
hidden technology

1309
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:28,640
human created technology

1310
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:29,760
some sort of

1311
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:30,559
long

1312
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:32,800
ongoing secret projects it kind of falls

1313
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,000
apart really when you look at the

1314
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:36,079
evidence i believe and i think anybody

1315
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:37,839
who does their homework with the subject

1316
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:39,839
and properly looks into it in depth

1317
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:41,119
cannot fail to come to similar

1318
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,880
conclusions with it

1319
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:44,559
can i can i just come in there just

1320
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:47,440
before giorgio sorry jojo just one thing

1321
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,040
uh when we talk about evidence from

1322
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:50,800
around the world when isa launched on

1323
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:53,040
the 25th of may

1324
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,559
we actually put together a 60 case world

1325
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:58,800
quick summary not the best cases but

1326
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:00,880
some of the best cases from all around

1327
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:03,040
the world to give a flavor and we

1328
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:05,119
created this for the press well the

1329
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,400
press

1330
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:08,720
is quite freely they can ask for it it's

1331
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:11,520
a pdf with 60 cases in a simple format

1332
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:13,760
showing the best evidence key points

1333
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:16,240
that prove the case and the press aren't

1334
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:18,640
interested we have to get the press on

1335
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:27,030
yes uh thank you i wanted to say that

1336
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:29,920
perhaps if some some citizens uh from

1337
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:33,280
some countries felt reticent to share

1338
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:36,559
inform you their uap information with

1339
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:39,280
five eyes allied countries

1340
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:40,559
uh

1341
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:45,040
of the current disclosure

1342
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:48,240
program in the united states

1343
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:50,079
they may feel more comfortable to share

1344
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:52,160
it with icer first

1345
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:54,000
um especially if they had a

1346
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,000
representative with eiser

1347
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:58,480
and so i think that we we can fill that

1348
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,319
gap we can uh

1349
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:02,480
fill that gap especially with the

1350
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:09,510
[Music]

1351
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:10,720
does anyone have anything else they want

1352
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:12,000
to discuss on that i mean i'm just going

1353
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:14,800
to let the conversation flow to to add

1354
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:18,720
that icer also as has representatives

1355
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:22,160
from from 28 countries so um

1356
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:25,920
it is interested in uh showing that the

1357
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:28,800
phenomena it's not just an american

1358
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:31,440
phenomenon right it's all over the place

1359
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:34,400
it's all over the world and we have

1360
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:36,640
indeed the uh the

1361
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,640
all the evidence then that can prove

1362
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:40,240
that and i think

1363
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:41,520
um

1364
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:42,800
sometimes

1365
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:47,200
even the media gets gets the sense that

1366
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:50,720
it's only in the u.s or um it's the u.s

1367
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:53,119
that that

1368
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:56,079
leads the narrative well it is indeed

1369
00:53:03,589 --> 00:52:58,960
but i think it's it's clearly more than

1370
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:03,599
that and and either needs to to to

1371
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:07,200
counterbalance also that that that that

1372
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:09,680
narrative and that

1373
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:12,559
perspective it's a worldwide phenomena

1374
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:14,400
and we have

1375
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:20,710
yeah i'd like to to bring up a point i

1376
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:22,079
think that's really important i think

1377
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:23,599
all of us in one way or another have

1378
00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:25,760
alluded to it but i think that one of

1379
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:27,920
the things that and i've often asked

1380
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,079
myself this question about the the whole

1381
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:32,640
mandate and direction of ice with

1382
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:35,920
respect to his international presence uh

1383
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:38,720
as some of you know in 2017 the united

1384
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:40,079
nations

1385
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:41,440
brought about the

1386
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:42,090
pretty

1387
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,160
[Music]

1388
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:46,640
weapons uh in 2017

1389
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:50,079
and i think 122 countries voted uh on it

1390
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:51,920
to put that in place legally now what

1391
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:53,680
kind of standing or what kind of you

1392
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:56,079
know force that has is up to is up to a

1393
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:57,920
conjecture the fact the matter is the

1394
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:00,960
united nation has a strong stand on the

1395
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:03,119
the prohibition of nuclear weapons now

1396
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:05,040
let's turn the page on the other side

1397
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,720
and take a look at the

1398
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:08,960
the the uap ufo

1399
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:11,839
community and its position on nuclear

1400
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:14,160
weapons and the reason i'm mentioning it

1401
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:15,680
is that icer

1402
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:19,200
could be a very very strong proponent of

1403
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:21,760
folding the nuclear issue into the

1404
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:24,960
international narrative about um

1405
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:26,319
how the

1406
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:29,040
these these these beings who are coming

1407
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:31,040
forward and and shutting down our

1408
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,440
missiles and and and tampering with our

1409
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:36,240
nuclear assets as a way of communicating

1410
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:39,359
with us with respect to how we um

1411
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:41,440
are really making a large mistake in

1412
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,040
considering nuclear weapons as being to

1413
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:45,440
be all the end all as to how we resolve

1414
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:48,160
our problems here on this on on this

1415
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:51,040
planet and i think that icer

1416
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:52,880
will i would hope and i think you know

1417
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:54,799
i've talked about this to a couple of

1418
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:57,119
members that icer needs to take a stand

1419
00:55:02,470 --> 00:54:59,599
with respect to the nuclear issue in the

1420
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:02,480
context of the u.n and if the u.n were

1421
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:05,119
to recognize isis position on the

1422
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:08,079
prohibition of nuclear weapons

1423
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:11,280
with respect to what we feel the uh the

1424
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:14,079
extraterrestrials are hinting towards us

1425
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:15,760
with respect to their

1426
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:16,960
whatever they're doing they're tampering

1427
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:19,280
with these missiles so what i'd like to

1428
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,000
do is see isa bring forward some sort of

1429
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:24,400
understanding to the uh united nations

1430
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:26,160
and to the end of the uh the media

1431
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:28,880
community that these extraterrestrials

1432
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:31,599
are sending messages about nuclear

1433
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:35,040
weapons and icer i think is is in a

1434
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,200
position a very strong position to take

1435
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:39,200
a stand on the nuclear weapons which

1436
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:40,880
will make the u.n

1437
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:43,440
and other you know media uh outlets pay

1438
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:45,520
attention to what icer wants to do this

1439
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,319
is not just about you know ufo uap

1440
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:50,720
disclosure this is about a planetary

1441
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:53,040
issue of bringing the narrative forward

1442
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:54,880
to the media with respect to nuclear

1443
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,440
weapons and how nuclear weapons are

1444
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:59,280
being interpreted by the

1445
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:01,520
extraterrestrials as what i call an

1446
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:03,599
extinction behavior and it's been

1447
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,480
pointed out numerous times by contactees

1448
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:08,559
and also with robert

1449
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:11,760
robert salas initiative uh with with

1450
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:14,160
respect to the missile shutdowns there's

1451
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:15,920
all kinds of converging lines of

1452
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:18,160
evidence that are pointing to the fact

1453
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:20,160
that the extraterrestrials whoever they

1454
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:22,319
are and i don't tend to know who they

1455
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:24,480
are but they're sending a very very

1456
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:27,200
clear message that we need to put the

1457
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,480
reins on nuclear weapons and so has the

1458
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:32,319
united nations and that's where we're

1459
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:34,000
heading and if we want to take the

1460
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:37,280
international stage i think icer is in a

1461
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:39,359
perfect position to bring the nuclear

1462
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:41,599
issue to the forefront in the same way

1463
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:43,680
that the u.n has done it and become a

1464
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:46,000
voice like the u.n so i'd like to put

1465
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,520
that on the table for discussion because

1466
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:49,680
i think it's a very powerful aspect as

1467
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:52,000
to how all of these lines of converging

1468
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:54,160
evidence can really bring forward isis

1469
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:57,040
dominance with respect to the uap issue

1470
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:59,280
that's absolutely fantastic victor and i

1471
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:00,799
think you're psychic because that was

1472
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:03,200
next on my list of talking points so

1473
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:05,280
thank you so much so i'm going to put

1474
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,880
this over to don because we nearly hit

1475
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:08,319
the hour mark don if you've got anything

1476
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:09,920
you want to talk about with regards to

1477
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:16,069
anything that broaches potential

1478
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:17,599
political

1479
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:18,720
you know

1480
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:20,880
division within a group you have to be

1481
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:24,799
careful and i think because uh for me

1482
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:27,920
still still ufos uaps

1483
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:31,599
and i know there would be an easy

1484
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:34,079
abridgement as far as to the nuclear

1485
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:36,799
aspect especially given here

1486
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:38,960
that we know for a fact and now even in

1487
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:41,520
russia we're learning that there have

1488
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:43,839
been infiltrations there have been

1489
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:46,400
shutdowns of missile silos

1490
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:49,599
and uh it's something and both gary and

1491
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:51,119
victor would remember that was one of

1492
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:53,599
the things that truly

1493
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:56,559
the attention of the congress people in

1494
00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:00,160
the citizens hearing in 2013.

1495
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:02,799
the idea that they were in deep

1496
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:05,280
demonstrating a

1497
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:08,160
not only a curiosity but also

1498
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:11,760
demonstrating a superiority over or even

1499
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:14,160
our nuclear weaponry

1500
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:15,839
and so

1501
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:17,760
wouldn't that be ironic that after all

1502
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:19,280
these years the very thing that

1503
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:20,480
hollywood

1504
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,280
going back to like the classic movie the

1505
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:25,440
day the earth stood still

1506
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,359
that the warning back in 1951 was

1507
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:31,680
uh you knew kids on the block there are

1508
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:34,079
now playing with rockets and atomic

1509
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:36,799
bombs you need to behave yourselves

1510
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:38,480
because for the first time you become a

1511
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:40,640
threat off the planet

1512
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:41,680
and

1513
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:45,200
it's been suggested that the one thing

1514
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:47,200
that even alerted

1515
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:51,119
the very phenomenon to planet earth was

1516
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:54,000
that first detonation of an atomic bomb

1517
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:58,000
back in new mexico in in june of 1945

1518
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:00,000
and that flash

1519
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:03,200
from trinity is still traversing out

1520
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:06,000
through the milky way galaxy as an

1521
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:09,200
intelligent signal as a beacon

1522
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,440
that may have indeed

1523
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:13,680
brought the phenomena to where we are

1524
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:15,920
today still scratching our heads and

1525
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:19,200
questioning why us why are they even

1526
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:20,880
bothering with

1527
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:23,760
we primitive earthlings who still are

1528
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:26,160
the new kids on the block so to speak

1529
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:28,400
but we're playing with big toys we're

1530
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:30,160
playing with big

1531
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:31,200
weapons

1532
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:33,119
that indeed could threaten

1533
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:34,319
the very

1534
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:35,839
well-being

1535
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:38,480
beyond our own planet earth and as a

1536
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:40,799
result it's either a case of where they

1537
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:43,200
step back and watch to see if we

1538
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:46,799
uh eliminate annihilate ourselves or if

1539
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:49,280
they intercede if they step in

1540
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:52,079
and um as the ancient astronaut

1541
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:54,559
theorists would suggest that every so

1542
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:57,119
often they gave us a nudge they gave us

1543
01:00:02,069 --> 01:00:00,640
a little push they they educated us as

1544
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:02,079
to a better way

1545
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:05,119
and maybe there again that's where icer

1546
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:08,000
can extend that hand of welcome

1547
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:11,280
and uh that we would be the very people

1548
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:13,599
that they would first approach anil i

1549
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:17,119
know carl sagan would often uh

1550
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:18,880
lament the fact that well the reason i

1551
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:20,160
don't believe in the phenomena is

1552
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:22,160
because certainly they would come and

1553
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:24,000
talk to me first

1554
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:25,920
well you know come down off your high

1555
01:00:31,589 --> 01:00:28,400
horse mister because

1556
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:31,599
no one possesses so much knowledge as to

1557
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:33,839
represent you know all of us here on

1558
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:36,799
planet earth but icer representing 28

1559
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,160
countries is a good start

1560
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:42,400
absolutely absolutely

1561
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:45,200
so with that i have to bid everyone ado

1562
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:47,920
i enjoyed this i hope we can do it again

1563
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:50,079
and uh enjoy the rest of the show

1564
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:52,960
gentlemen i know you represent icer in

1565
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:55,280
best uh the best for impossible thank

1566
01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:57,280
you thank you so much don i will say i

1567
01:01:01,109 --> 01:00:59,200
will email you i'd love to have you on

1568
01:01:02,470 --> 01:01:01,119
as on a one to one to discuss roswell

1569
01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:02,480
but we'll deal with that in the new year

1570
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:04,720
so look forward to it thank you very

1571
01:01:08,829 --> 01:01:07,040
much

1572
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:08,839
bye-bye

1573
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:11,680
now i think giorgio's got his hand up i

1574
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:13,440
think georgia gentlemen i'm just going

1575
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:15,440
to take a bathroom break so carry on

1576
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:17,359
with the conversation i'm just going to

1577
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:18,720
take a bathroom break i can still hear

1578
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:29,030
all

1579
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:29,990
um

1580
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:32,240
well i would i want to say that icer has

1581
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:34,880
the potential to incorporate people

1582
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:37,280
as civilians from countries and cultures

1583
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:39,599
that usually don't participate in the

1584
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:42,079
ufo conversation

1585
01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:44,640
and it is an important issue because

1586
01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:47,520
for them to hear about ufos

1587
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:50,319
uh from coming from the west

1588
01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:54,000
many of them billions may feel uneasy

1589
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:57,200
and there's a possibility of us

1590
01:02:01,270 --> 01:01:59,200
including them in the conversation from

1591
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:01,280
a civilian perspective and that will

1592
01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:03,760
make it easier for them to accept and

1593
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:06,640
learn about these issues incorporated

1594
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:09,520
into their religious traditions and

1595
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:12,000
cultures start a conversation

1596
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:14,799
that they themselves can understand

1597
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:17,200
from their own people so i think that

1598
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:18,960
that's another possibility that eiser

1599
01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:21,440
can can contribute

1600
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:23,200
absolutely i think that's a good point

1601
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:24,799
goodbye yeah

1602
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:27,280
i think um yeah returning to the uh

1603
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:30,480
nuclear uh angle a moment it's um it's a

1604
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:33,119
very interesting and also to some people

1605
01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:36,319
possible possibly alarming view

1606
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:39,039
that these beings have the ability to

1607
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:41,760
switch on or switch off our nukes at

1608
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:44,319
will uh it's probably one of the more

1609
01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:46,400
contentious angles of the subject and

1610
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:49,039
one of the reasons uh why

1611
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:50,720
some parts of it will have been covered

1612
01:02:55,109 --> 01:02:52,799
up over the years but i think it's very

1613
01:02:57,430 --> 01:02:55,119
important to remember with this

1614
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:57,440
that uh if they had malicious intent we

1615
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:59,200
would probably already know about this

1616
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:00,960
for a long time when they go on a global

1617
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:03,280
level so even though it may it may seem

1618
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:06,400
alarming i i think the intentions in the

1619
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:08,880
long run are not malicious i don't know

1620
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:10,720
what the other reps think about that

1621
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:12,559
possibility

1622
01:03:17,109 --> 01:03:14,480
well i i agree with that

1623
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:17,119
yeah victor victor yeah i think that one

1624
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:19,599
of the key points um about that david is

1625
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:22,400
that that if you look at the the the

1626
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:24,559
contact d's and um

1627
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:25,920
in in the work that i've done with

1628
01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:27,839
contactees in the past

1629
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:30,319
and the the work that i did with uh with

1630
01:03:32,710 --> 01:03:31,920
dr john mack

1631
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:32,720
um

1632
01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:34,960
in in recognizing uh

1633
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:36,799
some of the contactees

1634
01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:39,280
um interactions uh with these these

1635
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:42,000
so-called extraterrestrial beings

1636
01:03:47,910 --> 01:03:45,599
the dominant the dominant feeling um

1637
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:47,920
was among the contactees or experiencers

1638
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:50,720
as dr matt calls them is this

1639
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:53,359
overwhelming uh notion

1640
01:03:58,630 --> 01:03:56,640
that the contact these were being told

1641
01:04:02,069 --> 01:03:58,640
a narrative or being exposed to a

1642
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:02,079
narrative about the state of the planet

1643
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:04,720
and uh that that goes without saying uh

1644
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:05,440
it

1645
01:04:10,230 --> 01:04:08,160
in any of the contact the contacts or

1646
01:04:12,150 --> 01:04:10,240
the the work that i've done with them

1647
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:12,160
it always comes up there's other

1648
01:04:16,069 --> 01:04:14,160
experiences there's the experimentation

1649
01:04:18,309 --> 01:04:16,079
there's the implant issue there's all

1650
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:18,319
kinds of things but when you move into

1651
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:20,000
the deeper aspects of what these

1652
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:22,559
contactees have been through

1653
01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:24,880
every one of them eventually comes to

1654
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:27,599
the point of expressing the notion that

1655
01:04:31,829 --> 01:04:29,520
whoever these extraterrestrial beings

1656
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:31,839
are these these visitors these awkward

1657
01:04:37,109 --> 01:04:34,079
civilizations whoever they are it all

1658
01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:37,119
comes back to their concern about the

1659
01:04:42,069 --> 01:04:40,319
state of our planet the children who who

1660
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:42,079
were met at the aerial school for

1661
01:04:47,029 --> 01:04:44,720
example yes that was a notion that was

1662
01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:47,039
transmitted to them and dr mack went

1663
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:49,599
into very deep detail with the children

1664
01:04:54,789 --> 01:04:52,240
and they exposed and they expressed that

1665
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:54,799
same notion that we are we're messing up

1666
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:56,640
on the planet we're crayoning over the

1667
01:05:01,750 --> 01:04:58,799
planet uh the experiencers that i've

1668
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:01,760
talked to say the same thing that we're

1669
01:05:05,829 --> 01:05:03,599
doing something to this garden called

1670
01:05:07,349 --> 01:05:05,839
earth now that may sound kind of

1671
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:07,359
ephemeral a little bit kind of airy

1672
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:09,839
fairy in a lot of ways but in not in a

1673
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:12,400
nuts and bolts way these contact keys

1674
01:05:16,789 --> 01:05:15,520
have received messages in the way that

1675
01:05:19,589 --> 01:05:16,799
they

1676
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:19,599
have experientially now if you translate

1677
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:22,480
that information to someone like bob

1678
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:25,520
salus who was in the bunker in 1967 and

1679
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:27,680
all 10 missiles were shut down

1680
01:05:33,750 --> 01:05:31,440
uh by by the by that ufo uh

1681
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:33,760
it's quite clear that he received the

1682
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:35,760
same message as those children did at

1683
01:05:39,990 --> 01:05:37,920
the aerial school so it once again you

1684
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:40,000
get these converging lines of evidence

1685
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:42,319
about what these beings are telling us

1686
01:05:47,349 --> 01:05:44,640
about the state of our planet and if

1687
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:47,359
icer can bring these things forward by

1688
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:48,960
bringing

1689
01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:52,960
these interpret the messages from the

1690
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:55,119
from these uh extraterrestrial beings in

1691
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:56,640
addition to what the military has

1692
01:06:01,829 --> 01:05:59,280
received these are two very very

1693
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:01,839
powerful streams of information that we

1694
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:03,440
have to consider and we can't eliminate

1695
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:04,559
either one

1696
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:06,559
and it's it's just another way that isa

1697
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,039
can be uh brought forward as a credible

1698
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:11,520
institution at a credible organization

1699
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:14,079
to say here look at all the the the

1700
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:16,000
different lines of evidence not just one

1701
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:18,960
or two not just ufo sightings cases but

1702
01:06:23,349 --> 01:06:21,280
how the extraterrestrial beings are

1703
01:06:25,349 --> 01:06:23,359
sending us a message and that brings

1704
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:25,359
forward another a completely different

1705
01:06:31,589 --> 01:06:28,799
issue is how can we diplomatically

1706
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:31,599
engage these extraterrestrials because

1707
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:33,760
they are sending us a message so it's up

1708
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:36,880
to us i think to bring about a situation

1709
01:06:42,630 --> 01:06:39,839
or a condition with which we can

1710
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:42,640
have an outreach program of diplomacy

1711
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:44,240
with these individuals with these

1712
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:46,640
individual visitors now who they are

1713
01:06:49,990 --> 01:06:48,720
once again i say it again

1714
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:50,000
that whole array of off-world

1715
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:51,520
civilizations we don't know one

1716
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:53,680
individual civilization that's specific

1717
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:56,559
to this but there is the notion that we

1718
01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:59,039
have a responsibility to begin a

1719
01:07:04,150 --> 01:07:01,359
diplomatic initiative to say what do you

1720
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:04,160
want from us and what do you uh what can

1721
01:07:07,589 --> 01:07:05,760
we do for you

1722
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:07,599
these kinds of questions have to be

1723
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:10,160
asked if isis is going to look forward

1724
01:07:13,829 --> 01:07:12,160
to being present on the international

1725
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:13,839
stage with respect to the u.n and these

1726
01:07:17,430 --> 01:07:15,520
are these are difficult questions to ask

1727
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:17,440
but i think they they have to be brought

1728
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:18,960
one way or another

1729
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:20,960
i think i think there's two ways of

1730
01:07:25,510 --> 01:07:23,280
looking at what victor is saying there i

1731
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:25,520
i think it's how we frame the question

1732
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:27,680
because if we were talking about the

1733
01:07:31,349 --> 01:07:29,359
destruction of the great barrier reef

1734
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:31,359
because the temperature is rising and

1735
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:32,880
it's it's going to kill all the coral

1736
01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:34,720
we're all up in arms saying no we've got

1737
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:36,640
a global climate change we've got to do

1738
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:38,319
something to to

1739
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:40,720
otherwise we will lose this incredible

1740
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:43,200
thing the galapagos islands all the kind

1741
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:45,680
of special areas of interest now now if

1742
01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:48,960
you were et looking at us as a species

1743
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:51,760
on this planet a very diverse species

1744
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:53,920
with

1745
01:07:58,069 --> 01:07:56,400
huge amounts of water life and fauna

1746
01:07:59,670 --> 01:07:58,079
from their point of view we might be

1747
01:08:01,430 --> 01:07:59,680
just like a little zoo we're the ants in

1748
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:01,440
the playground but from their point of

1749
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:03,119
view they look at us and think they're

1750
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:05,039
going to destroy this beautiful bit of

1751
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:06,880
habitat just because they're playing

1752
01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:08,480
with nuclear weapons they shouldn't

1753
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:10,720
they've got the ability to destroy this

1754
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:12,960
wonderful planet that for us is like a

1755
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:15,280
tourist guide it's this could be like

1756
01:08:19,990 --> 01:08:18,000
the galapagos islands in space who knows

1757
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:20,000
but the point is we've got to look at it

1758
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:21,920
from a different point of view but there

1759
01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:24,799
is a clear clear message going back way

1760
01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:26,400
over 70 years

1761
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:28,960
that the f and it's no coincidence that

1762
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:30,080
roswell

1763
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:34,400
well it was only the first world's the

1764
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:36,799
first atomic bomb squadron and then when

1765
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:38,880
you put it in that context you think wow

1766
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:41,199
that kind of makes sense so you have to

1767
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:43,359
look at it so they are watching and

1768
01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:45,600
don't forget the ripple

1769
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:46,480
that

1770
01:08:50,309 --> 01:08:48,080
is going out into space from the

1771
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:50,319
original trinity explosion don is

1772
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:51,600
absolutely right

1773
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:53,920
but you think about how humans would

1774
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:56,640
react in our astronomers if we suddenly

1775
01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:58,719
began to realize that there had been a

1776
01:09:02,550 --> 01:09:01,279
nuclear explosion uh four light years

1777
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:02,560
away and we were just starting to

1778
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:04,400
receive the signals this flash or

1779
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:06,799
whatever we'd be all up getting excited

1780
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:08,560
saying christ there is life out there

1781
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:10,480
because that's definitely a nuclear

1782
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:13,440
signal signature from 10 light years

1783
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:15,920
away it's the way we frame the question

1784
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:18,400
but there is absolutely no doubt about

1785
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:20,799
it that the message that is consistent

1786
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:23,600
over 70 years plus is that they are

1787
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:26,480
concerned about this planet and i often

1788
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:28,960
i've talked about my favorite kind of

1789
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:30,960
thing is that i believe that there's

1790
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:33,199
underwater bases and i think they live

1791
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:34,799
separately i think that's why they're

1792
01:09:39,990 --> 01:09:36,799
seeing going in large in and out of

1793
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:40,000
water now the vast majority of people 95

1794
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:42,080
the public are oblivious to this because

1795
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:44,000
they've never been given the evidence by

1796
01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:46,960
the media so this is an entire paradigm

1797
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:49,440
change that we've got to feel deal with

1798
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:51,600
but i think it's their habitat as well

1799
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:53,520
how long they've been here i don't know

1800
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:56,719
but that may be well one reason why they

1801
01:10:00,070 --> 01:09:58,320
don't want to see this planet destroyed

1802
01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:00,080
through a nuclear armageddon because it

1803
01:10:04,870 --> 01:10:02,400
would affect their environment too but

1804
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:04,880
you know there are so many links all

1805
01:10:09,189 --> 01:10:06,960
over the world to nuclear weapons

1806
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:09,199
whether it be power plants whether it be

1807
01:10:14,550 --> 01:10:11,840
sightings or for nuclear weapon storage

1808
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:14,560
areas nuclear aircraft carriers nuclear

1809
01:10:18,790 --> 01:10:16,800
aircraft tactical nuclear weapons

1810
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,800
wherever whatever country they've all

1811
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:20,320
had these kind of sightings but the

1812
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:23,280
public are not aware of them and

1813
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:25,120
recently bob salas put on another

1814
01:10:29,830 --> 01:10:27,199
presentation at the national press club

1815
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:29,840
and there wasn't much national tv

1816
01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:32,960
coverage that is absolutely

1817
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:34,800
criminal in my mind

1818
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:37,840
this is now post 2017

1819
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:40,000
there should have been wall-to-wall tv

1820
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:41,760
cameras there and it was highly

1821
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:43,840
suspicious that they weren't there

1822
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:46,239
because now this is exactly the right

1823
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:48,719
time where we can go back to the nuclear

1824
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:51,840
issue and we need to highlight this at

1825
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:54,320
every opportunity and i will do that

1826
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:56,480
hence why we put out a statement with

1827
01:11:01,030 --> 01:10:58,800
regards to the nuclear weapons issue

1828
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:01,040
because it's long known a huge

1829
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:03,840
correlation and it's vitally important

1830
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:06,320
and here's another thing just final

1831
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:08,320
thing on on what victor said

1832
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:10,640
why do we assume

1833
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:12,400
with human arrogance

1834
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:14,880
that et is going to go to our prime

1835
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:17,360
ministers and presidents as being the

1836
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:19,679
elected leaders they might just go well

1837
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:21,360
they are actually been covering this up

1838
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:23,520
for a long time maybe we'll go to some

1839
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:25,440
of these guys who have actually doing it

1840
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:26,960
for the right reasons with the right

1841
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:29,520
sentiments why have they got to follow

1842
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:32,239
human rules it's ridiculous we are the

1843
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:34,000
ants in the playground

1844
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:36,560
we are very primitive i believe in terms

1845
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:39,280
of the intergalactic element but

1846
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:41,120
they probably look at us and think my

1847
01:11:44,310 --> 01:11:42,400
god they're going to destroy this

1848
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:44,320
beautiful planet and they are trying to

1849
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:50,470
i was thinking that

1850
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:51,840
icer

1851
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:55,199
is is a group that will listen to all

1852
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:58,400
experiencers all contacted people

1853
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:59,360
okay

1854
01:12:02,070 --> 01:12:00,800
worldwide

1855
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:02,080
ideally

1856
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:05,280
so it will not end up emphasizing the

1857
01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:08,000
potential threat aspect and the

1858
01:12:10,870 --> 01:12:10,159
deleterious physical medical effects

1859
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:10,880
like

1860
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:12,880
it's been researched by uh

1861
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:15,840
gary nolan kate green which

1862
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:17,760
they're doing valid research yes of

1863
01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:19,520
particular cases

1864
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:21,360
but i doubt that they are listening to

1865
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:22,640
the positive

1866
01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:26,400
healings happening also perhaps to many

1867
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:27,760
more people

1868
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:28,960
so uh

1869
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,239
we will

1870
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:32,640
try to bring a balanced

1871
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:33,920
approach

1872
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:36,000
recognizing recognizing also the

1873
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:38,960
positive benevolent aspects of of

1874
01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:40,719
interaction with uh these other

1875
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:43,440
intelligences

1876
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:45,520
yep yep

1877
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:48,400
yeah if i could just add on to that very

1878
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:50,960
very very quickly um something has come

1879
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:52,560
to to my

1880
01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:54,480
[Music]

1881
01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:56,239
it's really it's really irritating me

1882
01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:59,360
and bothering me to a point where um

1883
01:13:02,709 --> 01:13:00,400
uh

1884
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:02,719
i'm very concerned about the the

1885
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:05,199
corporate presence on the planet i'm

1886
01:13:10,149 --> 01:13:06,960
talking about the global

1887
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:10,159
corporations that have now begun to uh

1888
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:12,640
establish themselves as persons

1889
01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:15,760
uh a canadian documentary

1890
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:17,760
called the new corporation has

1891
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:19,679
highlighted the fact that corporations

1892
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:22,320
globally have now attained the status of

1893
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:23,920
persons legally

1894
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:26,080
and with that um

1895
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:27,840
status that these corporations and i'm

1896
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:28,960
talking about all the global

1897
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:31,760
corporations bp uh the

1898
01:13:34,390 --> 01:13:33,360
amazon

1899
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:34,400
google

1900
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:36,640
apple all of these corporations are

1901
01:13:41,910 --> 01:13:39,679
gradually impinging upon uh us as

1902
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:41,920
citizens and forcing us to consume

1903
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:44,640
certain kinds of information and and

1904
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:47,920
ideas that um are taking the place in

1905
01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:50,320
fact of government uh corporations are

1906
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:53,600
becoming governance themselves and my

1907
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:56,000
big concern here is that when the the

1908
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:58,560
corporations and they're almost there

1909
01:14:04,149 --> 01:14:00,719
with mr bezos goes right now with his

1910
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:04,159
launch today into into into space

1911
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:06,480
the corporations are almost at a point

1912
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:08,960
where they could commandeer

1913
01:14:14,229 --> 01:14:11,440
this uap issue and i'm extremely

1914
01:14:16,630 --> 01:14:14,239
concerned about that and mr bezos is the

1915
01:14:18,149 --> 01:14:16,640
leader of this and so is uh there are

1916
01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:18,159
several other people who are reaching

1917
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:20,400
out into space and we have to be very

1918
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:22,719
concerned with the corporate takeover of

1919
01:14:28,229 --> 01:14:25,840
this issue they could very well usurp

1920
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:28,239
the um the influence power and authority

1921
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:30,800
of over over governments to bring this

1922
01:14:35,590 --> 01:14:32,640
stuff forward to the people and they

1923
01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:35,600
could also use icers influence with

1924
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:37,600
respect to the u.n and these

1925
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:40,320
corporations are extremely powerful

1926
01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:42,239
because people are elected to the us

1927
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:44,800
senate they're allowed to own shares in

1928
01:14:49,510 --> 01:14:47,440
corporations and develop legislation

1929
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:49,520
that will benefit corporations and we

1930
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:51,440
have to be very careful that these

1931
01:14:56,229 --> 01:14:53,760
corporate entities once they find out if

1932
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:56,239
they don't know it already that the uap

1933
01:15:02,149 --> 01:14:59,679
issue is the most historically important

1934
01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:02,159
issue among the human family in in the

1935
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:04,640
history of the world of the planet

1936
01:15:09,350 --> 01:15:06,960
they could very well take the place of

1937
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:09,360
government and even usurp this this

1938
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:11,600
information in their own corporate way

1939
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:13,199
and i'm extremely concerned about it and

1940
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:14,960
i think it's

1941
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:17,280
something that that we have to create

1942
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:19,600
more of a dialogue about

1943
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:20,480
yeah

1944
01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:22,320
i think dave wants to get in i'm gonna

1945
01:15:25,270 --> 01:15:24,000
get to dave i'm just gonna make uh

1946
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:25,280
georgio i think we're getting a little

1947
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:27,120
bit of feedback off the bottom of your

1948
01:15:31,669 --> 01:15:29,760
device so i i'm gonna just mute you

1949
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:31,679
every now and again so don't be offended

1950
01:15:35,669 --> 01:15:33,360
and when you wanna speak i'll i'll see

1951
01:15:38,229 --> 01:15:35,679
that you wanna speak so yeah please dave

1952
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:38,239
jump in yeah i think from uh it was just

1953
01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:39,520
to follow on from what georgios said

1954
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:41,679
about the benevolence of these species i

1955
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:42,960
think

1956
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:44,320
we don't pretend to have all the answers

1957
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:46,000
and there's a if you look at the human

1958
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:47,840
race you've got absolutely perfect

1959
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:49,840
people and absolute monsters and we're

1960
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:52,400
looking at other other species and those

1961
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:54,800
other species are very likely to have

1962
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:56,320
you know certain groups with different

1963
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:58,480
agendas and this sort of thing going on

1964
01:16:02,229 --> 01:16:00,320
and a lot of people in the contact

1965
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:02,239
subject are in a kind of very very

1966
01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:04,560
fearful place with their experiences and

1967
01:16:08,470 --> 01:16:06,320
sometimes that leads them to believe

1968
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:08,480
that they're malevolent in nature and

1969
01:16:13,510 --> 01:16:11,440
maybe in in some cases they are but yeah

1970
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:13,520
as as giorgio and victor pointed out

1971
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:15,199
there are also many experiences that are

1972
01:16:19,830 --> 01:16:17,920
more more positive it's it's never black

1973
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:19,840
and white you know there's a great scale

1974
01:16:23,830 --> 01:16:21,920
to what's going on with this a very very

1975
01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:23,840
complex subject and a lot of people tend

1976
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:26,239
to generalize i think with aspects and

1977
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:27,760
sort of it's all good or it's all about

1978
01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:29,199
this sort of thing and i think it's

1979
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:31,360
probably a mix of of both

1980
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:32,880
really so you know

1981
01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:34,640
each aspect of the subject needs to be

1982
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:36,880
delved down into great depth and i think

1983
01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:38,560
that's one of the strengths that isa can

1984
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:39,520
bring

1985
01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:41,600
because of our different experience and

1986
01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:43,760
our different backgrounds in the subject

1987
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:45,440
the uh the different cases that we've

1988
01:16:49,510 --> 01:16:47,679
dealt with directly in our in our

1989
01:16:51,750 --> 01:16:49,520
different countries we see all these

1990
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:51,760
aspects together and we can discuss them

1991
01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:53,840
to a great level with one another and

1992
01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:55,520
come up to some very intelligent

1993
01:16:59,590 --> 01:16:57,199
conclusions on that

1994
01:17:01,430 --> 01:16:59,600
so i think i think that's i think just

1995
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:01,440
having us all together as a group like

1996
01:17:05,990 --> 01:17:03,920
that stands for a loss because it's not

1997
01:17:07,830 --> 01:17:06,000
just one opinion it's lots of opinions

1998
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:07,840
coming coming at the subject

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01:17:11,910 --> 01:17:09,600
so

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01:17:14,149 --> 01:17:11,920
yeah and i i think

2001
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:14,159
following on from that

2002
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:17,360
if you think about the global contact

2003
01:17:23,669 --> 01:17:19,760
the way it's been viewed and

2004
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:23,679
and kind of uh stigmatized we actually

2005
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:26,239
made a very formal statement like i

2006
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:28,560
think it was a november where we put out

2007
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:30,719
a statement saying look whatever

2008
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:32,480
anybody's thoughts on this

2009
01:17:36,550 --> 01:17:34,719
from a nicer point of view we are

2010
01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:36,560
convinced that there is a level of

2011
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:39,600
contact going on around the world

2012
01:17:43,590 --> 01:17:42,000
and that is pretty unique because nobody

2013
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:43,600
else is going to say that

2014
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:45,840
and the media absolutely have not

2015
01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:47,520
reported when you try to tell them they

2016
01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:49,199
go oh we don't want to go near there

2017
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:51,040
because it's a dirty word but it

2018
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:53,520
shouldn't be a dirty word when all

2019
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:56,080
continents are affected with all these

2020
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:58,239
kind of contact experiences and there

2021
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:00,320
are such commonalities of the species

2022
01:18:05,030 --> 01:18:02,880
involved blah blah blah the same type of

2023
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:05,040
stories the same kind of technology in

2024
01:18:08,709 --> 01:18:05,920
certain

2025
01:18:10,149 --> 01:18:08,719
uh contacts report similar technology

2026
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:10,159
that one cert

2027
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:12,480
person has in one country and is

2028
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:13,920
virtually the same technologies

2029
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:15,199
described by somebody else in a

2030
01:18:19,189 --> 01:18:16,880
different country you can't make that up

2031
01:18:21,430 --> 01:18:19,199
there's no link they're independent of

2032
01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:21,440
each other so we recognized and did

2033
01:18:26,229 --> 01:18:23,920
something that's very difficult to do we

2034
01:18:28,630 --> 01:18:26,239
debated it long and hard and then we

2035
01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:28,640
said no we are we believe based on the

2036
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:30,800
evidence from around the world that we

2037
01:18:34,790 --> 01:18:32,400
should make a statement we should be

2038
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:34,800
bold on this issue

2039
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:36,480
and say we don't know all the answers we

2040
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:38,560
certainly don't know the answers but

2041
01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:40,400
what other organizations are going to

2042
01:18:45,669 --> 01:18:43,199
come out and say this is actually real

2043
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:45,679
this is taking place so why so wanted to

2044
01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:46,960
take a lead and say look we're not

2045
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:50,080
afraid to answer and tackle deep

2046
01:18:54,390 --> 01:18:52,320
difficult subjects because we have to

2047
01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:54,400
raise this awareness

2048
01:18:58,709 --> 01:18:56,320
to ask questions that nobody else is

2049
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:58,719
asking and that's that's that's my point

2050
01:19:03,189 --> 01:19:00,960
i mean you you talked about that

2051
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:03,199
in the context gary of of a global

2052
01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:06,000
analysis um and and i think isa has to

2053
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:07,360
be very careful how it presents to

2054
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:08,880
contact the information because

2055
01:19:14,310 --> 01:19:10,960
absolutely yeah we have to be very very

2056
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:14,320
careful we all kind of have a sense of

2057
01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:16,719
of it and we all have had experiences

2058
01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:18,400
ourselves or we have done the research

2059
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:20,320
in the area of experiences but when you

2060
01:19:23,590 --> 01:19:22,480
come to them to uh you know to the man

2061
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:23,600
on the bus

2062
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:26,640
going back and forth to work uh his or

2063
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:28,560
her um uh

2064
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:31,520
ideation about contact d experiences or

2065
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:33,040
abductees or whatever you want to call

2066
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:35,520
it well it it's almost dangerous for

2067
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:37,760
them to even touch that issue so we have

2068
01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:39,679
to be very careful how we frame it but

2069
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:42,159
yet we also have to bring into play

2070
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:44,719
the nature of the contact and what does

2071
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:47,520
the nature of the contact really mean is

2072
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:50,719
the nature of the contact and outreach

2073
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:51,679
uh

2074
01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:54,719
from these off-world civilizations to us

2075
01:20:00,950 --> 01:19:59,280
to invite us to engage in diplomatic um

2076
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:00,960
communication is is is that an

2077
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:03,600
invitation or am i overstating that is

2078
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:05,120
the fact that they are tampering with

2079
01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:07,520
their nuclear weapons an invitation to

2080
01:20:12,310 --> 01:20:10,239
us to engage with them in a diplomatic

2081
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:12,320
way and i'm talking about serious

2082
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:14,320
diplomatic communication

2083
01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:15,840
not just you know sitting around a table

2084
01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:18,800
you know uh you know

2085
01:20:25,510 --> 01:20:24,070
oh i think we've lost you for a second

2086
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:25,520
he's frozen

2087
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:26,800
with each other

2088
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:28,880
sorry yeah you're back you're back yeah

2089
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:30,960
um i've got a good a good question here

2090
01:20:35,189 --> 01:20:32,560
that any of you can

2091
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:35,199
chime in on um is isa doing any outreach

2092
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:37,120
to engage the public with their mission

2093
01:20:45,189 --> 01:20:43,830
anybody can take the question

2094
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:45,199
what do you mean

2095
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:49,440
i suppose they mean like if if people

2096
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:51,840
have had sightings as a member of the

2097
01:20:56,310 --> 01:20:54,480
public can they reach out to isa and

2098
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:56,320
engage with you or

2099
01:21:00,550 --> 01:20:58,560
you can engage with us but we are not

2100
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:00,560
and i want to emphasize this we're not a

2101
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:03,280
reporting group because in a sense mufon

2102
01:21:06,790 --> 01:21:04,800
is a reporting group they deal with

2103
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:06,800
sightings we're not we're

2104
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:08,400
not saying we're any better but we're in

2105
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:10,480
a different area we're saying we're on

2106
01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:13,920
to a global almost political trying to

2107
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:16,159
bring this subject forward we're

2108
01:21:20,629 --> 01:21:18,960
certainly not into reporting agency uh

2109
01:21:22,229 --> 01:21:20,639
what we would do is say thanks for the

2110
01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:22,239
site and we'll put you in touch with us

2111
01:21:26,709 --> 01:21:24,480
but we're not reporting agency

2112
01:21:28,310 --> 01:21:26,719
there are far there are excellent groups

2113
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:28,320
doing very good work so we don't need to

2114
01:21:32,709 --> 01:21:30,080
do that we're doing something that's

2115
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:32,719
different we're trying to say to reach

2116
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:34,159
out now

2117
01:21:38,629 --> 01:21:36,560
i i interpret that question in in the

2118
01:21:40,629 --> 01:21:38,639
way that and we haven't talked about it

2119
01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:40,639
one of the things that isis said that we

2120
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:43,600
do when we were created is to to try to

2121
01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:45,920
prepare the the public through awareness

2122
01:21:49,590 --> 01:21:47,199
courses

2123
01:21:51,750 --> 01:21:49,600
and and what i can say and i'll i'll

2124
01:21:54,149 --> 01:21:51,760
i'll announce it now not specific

2125
01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:54,159
details but we are going to be launching

2126
01:21:56,709 --> 01:21:55,360
our first

2127
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:56,719
isa

2128
01:22:02,070 --> 01:21:58,480
evidential course

2129
01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:02,080
uh for english speaking within weeks

2130
01:22:08,070 --> 01:22:05,760
and and people will pay a fee to listen

2131
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:08,080
to a one or two day course of

2132
01:22:11,830 --> 01:22:10,320
presentations about early evidential

2133
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:11,840
history because we think that the

2134
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:13,360
awareness course initially has to deal

2135
01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:16,080
with history and 95 of the public

2136
01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:18,080
because of the secrecy involved around

2137
01:22:22,070 --> 01:22:20,480
the world don't have a clue so first of

2138
01:22:23,830 --> 01:22:22,080
all you need to deal with a bit of early

2139
01:22:26,550 --> 01:22:23,840
evidential history that says well this

2140
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:26,560
is the story so far and then you can do

2141
01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:28,320
different courses and other courses are

2142
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:30,320
in the pipeline but we want to start off

2143
01:22:33,990 --> 01:22:32,000
with an early evidential course so that

2144
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:34,000
is going to come out soon that's for the

2145
01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:36,560
public now they will pay a fee but it's

2146
01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:39,600
not to pay me is to give donations to

2147
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:42,400
isis so they can do things so we can use

2148
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:44,239
that money we're not for profit none of

2149
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:45,520
us are going to take any salary and

2150
01:22:49,030 --> 01:22:47,040
nothing out of this we're not interested

2151
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:49,040
in money we just want to make a

2152
01:22:53,590 --> 01:22:51,360
difference but it will be donation-led

2153
01:22:56,070 --> 01:22:53,600
and like i say whether it be corporate

2154
01:22:58,229 --> 01:22:56,080
or from courses but we said that we

2155
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:58,239
would do awareness courses and our first

2156
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:00,080
awareness course is going to be listed

2157
01:23:05,350 --> 01:23:03,520
soon so people can apply for that uh and

2158
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:05,360
and then i think there'll be a spanish

2159
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:08,000
version of that as well so you know

2160
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:10,480
there's lots of things coming on stream

2161
01:23:13,830 --> 01:23:12,000
it just takes time

2162
01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:13,840
so eve has followed up saying that's not

2163
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:16,239
the question what she means is if

2164
01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:17,840
you are trying to speak for the people

2165
01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:19,920
the people ought to be involved but what

2166
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:21,600
i get from that is that

2167
01:23:25,350 --> 01:23:23,600
all of you are representatives of

2168
01:23:28,470 --> 01:23:25,360
countries who are speaking for the

2169
01:23:30,310 --> 01:23:28,480
people am i right in saying that

2170
01:23:32,070 --> 01:23:30,320
i guess it's how you and i guess it's

2171
01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:32,080
how you interpret that question i mean

2172
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:34,320
it's a really loaded difficult question

2173
01:23:37,350 --> 01:23:35,120
i mean

2174
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:37,360
uh the thing is

2175
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:38,400
i guess

2176
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:40,320
all researchers have come into this

2177
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:42,320
subject because they feel a passion for

2178
01:23:46,629 --> 01:23:44,159
it and want to do something to try to

2179
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:46,639
make a difference now if the people want

2180
01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:48,719
to reach out then they have to do that

2181
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:51,280
themselves either by joining groups or

2182
01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:52,800
getting involved in the debate

2183
01:23:56,709 --> 01:23:53,920
themselves

2184
01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:56,719
they we can't speak for every person in

2185
01:24:00,790 --> 01:23:58,560
in your hometown say

2186
01:24:03,270 --> 01:24:00,800
it's just impossible so people have got

2187
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:03,280
to become more active themselves and

2188
01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:05,199
unfortunately we live now in a social

2189
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:07,280
media world where they can be the

2190
01:24:12,390 --> 01:24:08,960
armchair experts and they don't have to

2191
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:12,400
go anywhere and that's the big downside

2192
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:14,400
if i could just add to that gary and i

2193
01:24:18,790 --> 01:24:17,199
understand eve's uh ev's question uh

2194
01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:18,800
because there is a need among the

2195
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:20,400
general public to want to become

2196
01:24:24,070 --> 01:24:21,760
involved in this

2197
01:24:26,149 --> 01:24:24,080
because of the uh i guess the pressing

2198
01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:26,159
importance of the issue first of all

2199
01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:29,040
and the the recognition that icer is an

2200
01:24:32,070 --> 01:24:30,320
independent group that's moving in a

2201
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:32,080
certain direction with regard to

2202
01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:34,000
preparing for contact

2203
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:36,080
what i would suggest to eve is that if

2204
01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:38,400
you wish to become involved in the whole

2205
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:40,080
process not just with icer but in the

2206
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:42,800
whole process there are many many

2207
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:44,480
different ways that you can do it and

2208
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:47,280
the number one way and i i i keep on

2209
01:24:52,149 --> 01:24:49,760
emphasizing this uh on my on my website

2210
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:52,159
the zlan communications news network

2211
01:24:57,910 --> 01:24:54,960
that the best way to engage this issue

2212
01:25:00,709 --> 01:24:57,920
is to contact your local junior

2213
01:25:02,550 --> 01:25:00,719
journalists your news outlet agencies it

2214
01:25:04,149 --> 01:25:02,560
doesn't matter if it's nbc or you're a

2215
01:25:06,629 --> 01:25:04,159
local newspaper

2216
01:25:08,470 --> 01:25:06,639
the mainstream media needs to pick up

2217
01:25:10,470 --> 01:25:08,480
this information and the only way

2218
01:25:13,030 --> 01:25:10,480
they'll pick up this information

2219
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:13,040
is by having people

2220
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:14,960
write to them write to journalists to

2221
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:17,040
say this is an important issue that you

2222
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:19,199
should be covering there's lots of stuff

2223
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:27,990
particular issue the mainstream media is

2224
01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:30,880
virtually silent on the issue so if

2225
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:33,440
you want to contribute to to uh to

2226
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:35,600
moving this stuff forward i think going

2227
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:38,159
to journalists and going to your local

2228
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:40,480
television station your radio stations

2229
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:42,800
and and the mainstream media through all

2230
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:44,800
the social media that's available to you

2231
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:47,520
and get them on board with reporting on

2232
01:25:50,229 --> 01:25:48,719
this issue

2233
01:25:52,709 --> 01:25:50,239
talk to them about the us senate

2234
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:52,719
initiatives talk to them

2235
01:25:57,750 --> 01:25:55,600
about the work of dr john mack of of

2236
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:57,760
ralph blumenthal of leslie kane and

2237
01:26:01,350 --> 01:25:59,360
these are good journalists that are

2238
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:01,360
deeply involved in this and if we can

2239
01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:04,159
move journalism forward more i think

2240
01:26:08,709 --> 01:26:06,800
it'll make the job of icer a lot easier

2241
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:08,719
so that mainstream media becomes part of

2242
01:26:13,510 --> 01:26:10,800
the process then then they become

2243
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:13,520
resistors of the process

2244
01:26:17,830 --> 01:26:16,000
very well said very well said now what

2245
01:26:19,830 --> 01:26:17,840
i'd like to do bef you know we're an

2246
01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:19,840
hour and a half in i'd like to just talk

2247
01:26:24,149 --> 01:26:21,840
to each one of you individually about

2248
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:24,159
the country that you're in and how the

2249
01:26:27,189 --> 01:26:26,000
topic is being discussed whether it be

2250
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:27,199
publicly

2251
01:26:31,669 --> 01:26:29,760
in the media and in the government and

2252
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:31,679
i'd like to start with giorgio so

2253
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:35,600
giorgio are you able to um

2254
01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:37,760
just tell us how it's going in in peru

2255
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:39,840
at the moment with regards to the public

2256
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:41,520
the government and

2257
01:26:45,030 --> 01:26:43,920
and in general um i'm trying to unmute

2258
01:26:51,590 --> 01:26:45,040
you

2259
01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:51,600
go okay i think that i am a mute now i'm

2260
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:53,280
muted now

2261
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:56,960
uh okay well in peru

2262
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:59,120
it's it's different because

2263
01:27:04,629 --> 01:27:01,040
in a way for example

2264
01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:04,639
uh when we had this uh

2265
01:27:09,430 --> 01:27:06,639
official research office in peru with

2266
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:09,440
the air force uh it's still uh it's

2267
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:11,760
still um supposed to be open but right

2268
01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:14,560
now for cove it is partially closed but

2269
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:17,440
anyhow when it was operating

2270
01:27:22,950 --> 01:27:19,600
the media might go and interview a

2271
01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:22,960
general or a colonel and they would just

2272
01:27:26,709 --> 01:27:25,440
say oh you know we are not alone in the

2273
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:26,719
universe

2274
01:27:31,910 --> 01:27:29,920
just casually you know it's a different

2275
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:31,920
different way of approaching less

2276
01:27:36,149 --> 01:27:34,960
secretive in a way

2277
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:36,159
um

2278
01:27:40,790 --> 01:27:38,000
people tend to

2279
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:40,800
that participate in the in let's say

2280
01:27:45,189 --> 01:27:42,960
contact experiences they join groups but

2281
01:27:47,110 --> 01:27:45,199
they are less intellectual

2282
01:27:48,629 --> 01:27:47,120
but then again i think that this is an

2283
01:27:51,030 --> 01:27:48,639
asset

2284
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:51,040
because through feelings through

2285
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:52,320
sentiment

2286
01:27:54,790 --> 01:27:53,520
they may

2287
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:54,800
relate

2288
01:27:58,709 --> 01:27:56,239
with uh

2289
01:28:01,350 --> 01:27:58,719
the energies the minds the consciousness

2290
01:28:03,270 --> 01:28:01,360
of these beings if they were to try to

2291
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:03,280
relate conceptually

2292
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:05,280
they would not get it it would be very

2293
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:08,480
difficult so so it's a it's it's a

2294
01:28:14,950 --> 01:28:11,040
different way of relating

2295
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:14,960
um of the people are involved in this

2296
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:17,600
it's a more participatory

2297
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:19,520
in general

2298
01:28:26,950 --> 01:28:22,960
of course within the air force we had

2299
01:28:30,629 --> 01:28:29,189
but in general the people outside of the

2300
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:30,639
air force

2301
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:32,880
take this in in a more nonchalant

2302
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:35,199
participatory way oh the other way they

2303
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:37,920
came into my room and

2304
01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:40,000
they seem to be less traumatized by

2305
01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:42,800
these things in general because of the

2306
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:44,800
shamanic traditions the catholic

2307
01:28:48,149 --> 01:28:47,120
traditions of miracles and events like

2308
01:28:49,510 --> 01:28:48,159
this

2309
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:49,520
um

2310
01:28:53,830 --> 01:28:51,760
right now in peru

2311
01:28:57,189 --> 01:28:53,840
it's difficult to

2312
01:28:59,910 --> 01:28:57,199
get media attention on ufos because most

2313
01:29:01,830 --> 01:28:59,920
people think that this is interesting or

2314
01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:01,840
important but not urgent

2315
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:03,760
and we are in the middle of a political

2316
01:29:11,350 --> 01:29:08,310
the military

2317
01:29:12,550 --> 01:29:11,360
different branches are trying to survive

2318
01:29:13,510 --> 01:29:12,560
um

2319
01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:13,520
because

2320
01:29:18,310 --> 01:29:15,120
well a left-wing

2321
01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:18,320
executive government was elected and

2322
01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:20,639
there's a lot of controversy

2323
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:23,040
about what's going on right now people

2324
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:24,400
are worried

2325
01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:25,440
um

2326
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:26,800
so

2327
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:29,760
although when this passes

2328
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:31,840
they i know that they will be very open

2329
01:29:38,149 --> 01:29:35,360
to listen to a presentation from icer

2330
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:38,159
in the in the military so i'm preparing

2331
01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:40,080
for that i'm preparing a presentation

2332
01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:42,800
for eiser when uh there is a

2333
01:29:47,189 --> 01:29:44,639
an opportunity

2334
01:29:47,990 --> 01:29:47,199
i think that it will happen

2335
01:29:50,149 --> 01:29:48,000
yeah

2336
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:50,159
francisco how are things in portugal at

2337
01:29:53,110 --> 01:29:51,120
the moment

2338
01:29:55,030 --> 01:29:53,120
with regards again to the way the

2339
01:29:57,590 --> 01:29:55,040
government's approaching the subject and

2340
01:29:59,189 --> 01:29:57,600
and the just the conversation in public

2341
01:30:03,510 --> 01:29:59,199
generally

2342
01:30:05,189 --> 01:30:03,520
well regarding ufos uaps

2343
01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:05,199
the number of people interested in the

2344
01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:07,600
subject is very low

2345
01:30:15,910 --> 01:30:12,550
but

2346
01:30:18,390 --> 01:30:15,920
portugal is is an interesting case

2347
01:30:20,629 --> 01:30:18,400
because the armed forces have been there

2348
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:20,639
are good cases involving military men

2349
01:30:25,750 --> 01:30:23,920
especially uh air force pilots of course

2350
01:30:28,470 --> 01:30:25,760
and in the past

2351
01:30:31,189 --> 01:30:28,480
uh the armed forces were involved or

2352
01:30:33,189 --> 01:30:31,199
they they were open to the to to the

2353
01:30:35,590 --> 01:30:33,199
investigation to research done by

2354
01:30:38,390 --> 01:30:35,600
civilians so they

2355
01:30:39,910 --> 01:30:38,400
we have uh two former former chief of

2356
01:30:43,030 --> 01:30:39,920
staff of the air force

2357
01:30:45,990 --> 01:30:43,040
that uh collaborated with research that

2358
01:30:48,470 --> 01:30:46,000
had k they were both involved in cases

2359
01:30:49,590 --> 01:30:48,480
they had sightings and they

2360
01:30:53,110 --> 01:30:49,600
um

2361
01:30:55,750 --> 01:30:53,120
wanted to know more and they allowed

2362
01:30:57,990 --> 01:30:55,760
for civilian researchers to

2363
01:30:59,590 --> 01:30:58,000
be in at the air bases interviewing

2364
01:31:01,189 --> 01:30:59,600
pilots so

2365
01:31:04,310 --> 01:31:01,199
and we have access to all those

2366
01:31:07,990 --> 01:31:04,320
documents so there's a tradition

2367
01:31:11,590 --> 01:31:08,000
in portugal of openness of at least some

2368
01:31:14,229 --> 01:31:11,600
interests not in the sense of um

2369
01:31:16,629 --> 01:31:14,239
the the the subject being the the

2370
01:31:17,590 --> 01:31:16,639
phenomena of being interpreted as a as a

2371
01:31:20,070 --> 01:31:17,600
threat

2372
01:31:22,310 --> 01:31:20,080
but as a curiosity what is this we need

2373
01:31:23,910 --> 01:31:22,320
to know more um

2374
01:31:25,270 --> 01:31:23,920
and in the past

2375
01:31:26,950 --> 01:31:25,280
uh

2376
01:31:29,750 --> 01:31:26,960
there there was

2377
01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:29,760
the involvement not only from the armed

2378
01:31:34,229 --> 01:31:32,239
forces but also with the

2379
01:31:36,870 --> 01:31:34,239
ministry of internal affairs

2380
01:31:37,590 --> 01:31:36,880
uh and the ministry of defense allowing

2381
01:31:40,550 --> 01:31:37,600
for

2382
01:31:45,590 --> 01:31:40,560
the the release or the um the the

2383
01:31:49,590 --> 01:31:45,600
distribution of inquiries or um

2384
01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:49,600
set inquiries among uh for all the uh

2385
01:31:54,390 --> 01:31:51,520
the police station and national guard

2386
01:31:56,310 --> 01:31:54,400
stations across portugal so this is

2387
01:31:58,229 --> 01:31:56,320
prior to the internet of course that

2388
01:32:00,229 --> 01:31:58,239
anyone from the public that may have had

2389
01:32:02,629 --> 01:32:00,239
the sighting could go to there to the

2390
01:32:04,629 --> 01:32:02,639
the police station

2391
01:32:05,830 --> 01:32:04,639
field the inquiry and then it would be

2392
01:32:07,510 --> 01:32:05,840
sent to the

2393
01:32:08,629 --> 01:32:07,520
to the administration of internal

2394
01:32:11,350 --> 01:32:08,639
affairs and then to the to the

2395
01:32:13,110 --> 01:32:11,360
university so there were always some

2396
01:32:16,070 --> 01:32:13,120
kind of openness

2397
01:32:17,669 --> 01:32:16,080
right now in current days uh things are

2398
01:32:20,550 --> 01:32:17,679
a little bit different

2399
01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:20,560
in the sense that the uh the

2400
01:32:25,510 --> 01:32:23,520
those former military men have died

2401
01:32:27,270 --> 01:32:25,520
new um

2402
01:32:29,990 --> 01:32:27,280
there's a new leadership

2403
01:32:30,790 --> 01:32:30,000
uh and now it's more

2404
01:32:32,229 --> 01:32:30,800
uh

2405
01:32:33,990 --> 01:32:32,239
controlled

2406
01:32:36,149 --> 01:32:34,000
by uh by

2407
01:32:38,629 --> 01:32:36,159
by by politics

2408
01:32:40,950 --> 01:32:38,639
and so uh in terms of government

2409
01:32:44,870 --> 01:32:40,960
interest in the subject

2410
01:32:46,229 --> 01:32:44,880
there's none i believe there's also

2411
01:32:51,750 --> 01:32:46,239
full ignorance

2412
01:32:54,149 --> 01:32:51,760
but there are still

2413
01:32:56,950 --> 01:32:54,159
active military men interested in the

2414
01:32:58,550 --> 01:32:56,960
subject so there's some kind of

2415
01:33:00,709 --> 01:32:58,560
communication

2416
01:33:03,110 --> 01:33:00,719
going on in that sense

2417
01:33:05,030 --> 01:33:03,120
excellent thank you um same question

2418
01:33:06,149 --> 01:33:05,040
over to you victor let's let's discuss

2419
01:33:09,430 --> 01:33:06,159
canada

2420
01:33:14,229 --> 01:33:09,440
moment i'm just gonna go and check on my

2421
01:33:18,629 --> 01:33:16,790
sure yeah is she there

2422
01:33:20,149 --> 01:33:18,639
she's just calling me she's in bed she's

2423
01:33:21,990 --> 01:33:20,159
only four i'll be back in one sec but

2424
01:33:23,110 --> 01:33:22,000
i'll still be listening please go ahead

2425
01:33:24,709 --> 01:33:23,120
victor

2426
01:33:27,830 --> 01:33:24,719
okay thank you thank you

2427
01:33:29,910 --> 01:33:27,840
um yeah with respect to canada um

2428
01:33:33,110 --> 01:33:29,920
i i can make four or five different

2429
01:33:34,870 --> 01:33:33,120
points um the first one uh the the news

2430
01:33:37,270 --> 01:33:34,880
agency vice i'm sure most of you are

2431
01:33:39,030 --> 01:33:37,280
familiar with uh with news agency vice

2432
01:33:41,430 --> 01:33:39,040
i've had communication with a canadian

2433
01:33:44,550 --> 01:33:41,440
journalist his name is daniel otis and

2434
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:44,560
he has made some very serious um

2435
01:33:50,070 --> 01:33:47,360
inquiries to our access to information

2436
01:33:52,790 --> 01:33:50,080
act which is the same as a foia request

2437
01:33:55,510 --> 01:33:52,800
and he has made some very um intrusive

2438
01:33:59,430 --> 01:33:55,520
requests of the government uh the the

2439
01:34:02,470 --> 01:33:59,440
department of defense regarding ufo uap

2440
01:34:04,870 --> 01:34:02,480
sightings reports and documents and this

2441
01:34:07,830 --> 01:34:04,880
is the first inclination or indication

2442
01:34:10,229 --> 01:34:07,840
to me that uh someone with a major

2443
01:34:12,070 --> 01:34:10,239
background in in a news agency uh

2444
01:34:14,709 --> 01:34:12,080
meaning vice which is an international

2445
01:34:17,189 --> 01:34:14,719
group has made some inquiries within the

2446
01:34:18,470 --> 01:34:17,199
canadian kind

2447
01:34:20,390 --> 01:34:18,480
attacks so that's

2448
01:34:22,470 --> 01:34:20,400
very strong i'm trying to support daniel

2449
01:34:23,910 --> 01:34:22,480
as much as i can with respect to what's

2450
01:34:24,950 --> 01:34:23,920
going on here in

2451
01:34:27,189 --> 01:34:24,960
canada

2452
01:34:29,990 --> 01:34:27,199
and that leads me into the whole idea of

2453
01:34:31,510 --> 01:34:30,000
the norad situation here in canada i'm

2454
01:34:33,750 --> 01:34:31,520
sure you all know that norad is a

2455
01:34:35,830 --> 01:34:33,760
co-terminus organization between canada

2456
01:34:38,390 --> 01:34:35,840
and the united states to oversee

2457
01:34:42,470 --> 01:34:38,400
the airspace over both countries and we

2458
01:34:45,350 --> 01:34:42,480
have information that in 2001 three

2459
01:34:47,910 --> 01:34:45,360
ufos were tracked by norad and and they

2460
01:34:50,390 --> 01:34:47,920
had just chased them and eventually

2461
01:34:53,430 --> 01:34:50,400
these jets chased them and rose to 35

2462
01:34:56,149 --> 01:34:53,440
000 feet and the pilot recorded contact

2463
01:34:58,790 --> 01:34:56,159
made with these with these um with these

2464
01:35:00,229 --> 01:34:58,800
three ufos and we're still pursuing

2465
01:35:02,550 --> 01:35:00,239
information about that whether or not

2466
01:35:05,750 --> 01:35:02,560
there's gun camera information regarding

2467
01:35:08,950 --> 01:35:05,760
that that's sort of my um

2468
01:35:10,550 --> 01:35:08,960
wedge into uh the the military aspect of

2469
01:35:13,270 --> 01:35:10,560
this so we're pursuing that with with

2470
01:35:15,990 --> 01:35:13,280
the with a lot of with a lot of vigor

2471
01:35:19,030 --> 01:35:16,000
the other thing is mufon mufon canada

2472
01:35:21,350 --> 01:35:19,040
has up until last year had the um the

2473
01:35:23,750 --> 01:35:21,360
alien cosmic expo here in toronto which

2474
01:35:25,590 --> 01:35:23,760
has garnered well over 500 attendees

2475
01:35:27,030 --> 01:35:25,600
over the past four years

2476
01:35:28,629 --> 01:35:27,040
and because of the pandemic we've just

2477
01:35:35,270 --> 01:35:28,639
not been able to do that so that's

2478
01:35:40,070 --> 01:35:37,830
some online conference or something like

2479
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:40,080
that but

2480
01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:42,400
at the ace conference alien cosmic expo

2481
01:35:47,270 --> 01:35:44,960
we hope to uh to revive it very very

2482
01:35:51,109 --> 01:35:47,280
soon and the other thing is that um i've

2483
01:35:53,350 --> 01:35:51,119
been contacted by ctv news which ctv is

2484
01:35:55,510 --> 01:35:53,360
the number one

2485
01:35:58,310 --> 01:35:55,520
network across canada and they had some

2486
01:35:59,990 --> 01:35:58,320
real concerns about the june 25th

2487
01:36:01,910 --> 01:36:00,000
director of national intelligence report

2488
01:36:03,669 --> 01:36:01,920
and they interviewed me for about 20

2489
01:36:05,189 --> 01:36:03,679
minutes with respect to that report so i

2490
01:36:05,990 --> 01:36:05,199
can see that there is an interest in

2491
01:36:07,830 --> 01:36:06,000
that

2492
01:36:08,790 --> 01:36:07,840
but they have sort of been laying a bit

2493
01:36:10,149 --> 01:36:08,800
low

2494
01:36:12,070 --> 01:36:10,159
they're waiting for something big to

2495
01:36:14,550 --> 01:36:12,080
happen and i'm hoping that once

2496
01:36:16,229 --> 01:36:14,560
something quote-unquote big does happen

2497
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:16,239
that i can take the forefront with

2498
01:36:19,990 --> 01:36:17,760
respect to the national news and these

2499
01:36:22,229 --> 01:36:20,000
are this is a national news agency so

2500
01:36:24,629 --> 01:36:22,239
i'm hoping that once something

2501
01:36:26,550 --> 01:36:24,639
very significant does happen that i

2502
01:36:28,629 --> 01:36:26,560
would be contacted and this could become

2503
01:36:30,790 --> 01:36:28,639
part of a mainstream media initiative

2504
01:36:33,109 --> 01:36:30,800
here in canada uh i i'm not getting my

2505
01:36:35,350 --> 01:36:33,119
hopes up but it's a it's just a foot in

2506
01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:35,360
the door and anytime you get contact

2507
01:36:39,189 --> 01:36:37,440
with a major news organization here in

2508
01:36:41,430 --> 01:36:39,199
canada like that you have to take every

2509
01:36:43,189 --> 01:36:41,440
advantage of it and and the final thing

2510
01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:43,199
as you you all probably know the the

2511
01:36:49,030 --> 01:36:45,840
honorable paul hellyer passed away last

2512
01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:49,040
august and um paul and i were very very

2513
01:36:52,990 --> 01:36:51,600
close friends and colleagues and i was

2514
01:36:54,550 --> 01:36:53,000
responsible for bringing him forward in

2515
01:36:57,430 --> 01:36:54,560
2005

2516
01:36:59,430 --> 01:36:57,440
and uh over the years since then he and

2517
01:37:01,750 --> 01:36:59,440
i have been in close contact with every

2518
01:37:02,950 --> 01:37:01,760
you know we talked almost weekly about

2519
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:02,960
different things

2520
01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:05,520
and um i have just been in contact with

2521
01:37:09,030 --> 01:37:06,560
his wife

2522
01:37:12,070 --> 01:37:09,040
and um i have uh i've been able to

2523
01:37:15,030 --> 01:37:12,080
obtain all of paul hellyer's files

2524
01:37:17,270 --> 01:37:15,040
uh from his from his cu from his um

2525
01:37:19,990 --> 01:37:17,280
his condominium here in toronto

2526
01:37:22,550 --> 01:37:20,000
i went there uh two weeks ago and loaded

2527
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:22,560
up the car with boxes of stuff

2528
01:37:26,310 --> 01:37:24,400
and they're all

2529
01:37:29,030 --> 01:37:26,320
in my in my office here now taking up

2530
01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:29,040
much more room than i than i have but uh

2531
01:37:32,470 --> 01:37:30,719
i have a big job ahead of me and going

2532
01:37:34,310 --> 01:37:32,480
through these files i opened up one file

2533
01:37:36,390 --> 01:37:34,320
the other day and it was just sort of i

2534
01:37:37,750 --> 01:37:36,400
had to put it down i couldn't go any

2535
01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:37,760
further because i just didn't have the

2536
01:37:42,070 --> 01:37:40,159
time so over the next little while i'm

2537
01:37:44,149 --> 01:37:42,080
going to be able to try to have some

2538
01:37:47,270 --> 01:37:44,159
time to go through these files and then

2539
01:37:49,910 --> 01:37:47,280
on that count also too sandra

2540
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:49,920
paul's wife has invited me back to to to

2541
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:52,000
his home to go through his computer

2542
01:37:55,750 --> 01:37:53,840
files which may in fact have even more

2543
01:37:58,149 --> 01:37:55,760
information on it so there's a lot of

2544
01:37:59,590 --> 01:37:58,159
stuff happening and i think that paul's

2545
01:38:01,189 --> 01:37:59,600
information and the way he brought this

2546
01:38:05,189 --> 01:38:01,199
thing forward internationally and with

2547
01:38:06,629 --> 01:38:05,199
respect to the canadian uh theater

2548
01:38:08,629 --> 01:38:06,639
their

2549
01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:08,639
future so these are all sort of things

2550
01:38:12,070 --> 01:38:10,639
that um that are happening in canada

2551
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:12,080
that have a lot of potential to bring

2552
01:38:16,070 --> 01:38:13,600
this stuff forward in a way that might

2553
01:38:17,910 --> 01:38:16,080
not be happening in other countries ah

2554
01:38:20,390 --> 01:38:17,920
fantastic yeah rest in peace uh the

2555
01:38:22,870 --> 01:38:20,400
honourable paul hellier and also i will

2556
01:38:25,189 --> 01:38:22,880
second the the the discussion you said

2557
01:38:27,669 --> 01:38:25,199
there about uh daniel otis he's doing

2558
01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:27,679
fantastic work fantastic coverage of the

2559
01:38:34,070 --> 01:38:30,960
subject on vice yeah um let's bring this

2560
01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:34,080
conversation to gary and dave the uk now

2561
01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:35,840
i want to start this off by saying you

2562
01:38:40,870 --> 01:38:38,639
know the in the summer we saw uh the

2563
01:38:42,229 --> 01:38:40,880
house of lords discussing the subjects

2564
01:38:44,790 --> 01:38:42,239
completely

2565
01:38:46,629 --> 01:38:44,800
shutting down the uap conversation now

2566
01:38:48,629 --> 01:38:46,639
in the past we've had documents released

2567
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:48,639
we've had conversations we know they've

2568
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:52,000
been studying it di55 things like that

2569
01:38:57,350 --> 01:38:54,719
why now is it just nothing

2570
01:38:58,550 --> 01:38:57,360
what's going on it's gone backwards

2571
01:39:01,910 --> 01:38:58,560
yeah

2572
01:39:03,910 --> 01:39:01,920
interested in it but probably on more

2573
01:39:06,870 --> 01:39:03,920
behind the scenes since they officially

2574
01:39:08,950 --> 01:39:06,880
shut down the uh the mod ufo desk

2575
01:39:10,629 --> 01:39:08,960
uh a lot of people in the public are

2576
01:39:12,550 --> 01:39:10,639
probably wondering you know who can we

2577
01:39:14,310 --> 01:39:12,560
report these cases to

2578
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:14,320
there's no kind of official body for

2579
01:39:19,350 --> 01:39:17,040
that anymore uh there's still i would

2580
01:39:20,870 --> 01:39:19,360
say on the on the public side there's

2581
01:39:22,470 --> 01:39:20,880
still a rather sort of skeptical

2582
01:39:23,590 --> 01:39:22,480
approach i mean the the british public

2583
01:39:25,750 --> 01:39:23,600
has always been quite sort of

2584
01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:25,760
skeptically minded i would say on on

2585
01:39:30,870 --> 01:39:28,800
fringe subjects in general and um

2586
01:39:34,149 --> 01:39:30,880
but uh hopefully that will change

2587
01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:34,159
especially over more recent years now

2588
01:39:37,830 --> 01:39:36,320
we haven't seen as much coverage on

2589
01:39:40,229 --> 01:39:37,840
what's going on in the states as we

2590
01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:40,239
would like to see in the newspapers

2591
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:42,480
there has been some articles come out

2592
01:39:46,629 --> 01:39:44,400
but not as much as this should have been

2593
01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:46,639
given the significance of the

2594
01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:48,320
announcements or what so what's taking

2595
01:39:53,830 --> 01:39:50,719
place and when they've been asked to

2596
01:39:55,590 --> 01:39:53,840
comment on whether any any uh similar

2597
01:39:57,430 --> 01:39:55,600
things are going to go go on with the uh

2598
01:39:59,830 --> 01:39:57,440
with the united kingdom uh government

2599
01:40:02,149 --> 01:39:59,840
and mid uh they've kind of pushed back

2600
01:40:03,350 --> 01:40:02,159
on that and and not really given any any

2601
01:40:07,350 --> 01:40:03,360
big statements i don't know if you'd

2602
01:40:10,950 --> 01:40:09,910
yeah i mean the the i would

2603
01:40:13,109 --> 01:40:10,960
want

2604
01:40:15,189 --> 01:40:13,119
anybody that knows me that knows that i

2605
01:40:16,149 --> 01:40:15,199
was willing to give the media mainstream

2606
01:40:18,070 --> 01:40:16,159
media

2607
01:40:20,390 --> 01:40:18,080
the benefit of doubt but that they've

2608
01:40:22,790 --> 01:40:20,400
looked they're losing credibility by not

2609
01:40:25,270 --> 01:40:22,800
covering it in the united kingdom

2610
01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:25,280
the amount of coverage and legislation

2611
01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:27,280
important legislation it's unprecedented

2612
01:40:32,070 --> 01:40:29,760
what's going on and like i say if the

2613
01:40:33,430 --> 01:40:32,080
gillibrand amendment is passed and they

2614
01:40:34,629 --> 01:40:33,440
think it will be done before the new

2615
01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:34,639
year

2616
01:40:39,510 --> 01:40:36,880
and that becomes law that then

2617
01:40:41,990 --> 01:40:39,520
forces the government basically to

2618
01:40:43,350 --> 01:40:42,000
supply and be more transparent

2619
01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:43,360
that will be an absolutely

2620
01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:45,360
groundbreaking moment that there's no

2621
01:40:49,109 --> 01:40:47,040
turning back from that and there and

2622
01:40:51,430 --> 01:40:49,119
that amendment also says that they've

2623
01:40:53,669 --> 01:40:51,440
got to prepare on a regular basis at

2624
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:53,679
least once a year an unclassified

2625
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:57,600
section now all in all in all that's an

2626
01:41:02,229 --> 01:41:00,159
incredibly uh

2627
01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:02,239
powerful moment in the history of this

2628
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:04,719
subject and yet if it's not reported by

2629
01:41:09,510 --> 01:41:06,560
the mainstream how are anybody going to

2630
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:09,520
know about it now i think that the the

2631
01:41:14,310 --> 01:41:12,239
mainstream media in the uk are going to

2632
01:41:15,910 --> 01:41:14,320
have to start reporting on it because if

2633
01:41:17,990 --> 01:41:15,920
they don't they're going to get left

2634
01:41:20,310 --> 01:41:18,000
behind at some point all countries that

2635
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:20,320
don't report on this eventually when you

2636
01:41:25,750 --> 01:41:22,000
move to that paradigm

2637
01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:25,760
shift which is coming the the i i can't

2638
01:41:30,229 --> 01:41:28,000
see now if we get the gillibrand

2639
01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:30,239
amendment through

2640
01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:33,119
that then forces legislative procedure

2641
01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:36,480
more transparency if that happens then

2642
01:41:39,990 --> 01:41:38,400
that's a watershed moment where really

2643
01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:40,000
they can't go back

2644
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:41,679
and the genies out the bottle you can't

2645
01:41:45,590 --> 01:41:44,000
put the genie back into the bottle so

2646
01:41:47,990 --> 01:41:45,600
sooner or later

2647
01:41:50,950 --> 01:41:48,000
there has got to be some mainstream

2648
01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:50,960
coverage by all countries now uk has

2649
01:41:54,149 --> 01:41:52,800
always followed america's lead

2650
01:41:56,390 --> 01:41:54,159
traditionally

2651
01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:56,400
on pretty much anything so we have

2652
01:41:59,830 --> 01:41:57,600
followed that

2653
01:42:01,750 --> 01:41:59,840
and and the fact that they're not

2654
01:42:04,070 --> 01:42:01,760
following it this time just strikes me

2655
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:04,080
as like it was a time warp you could

2656
01:42:08,149 --> 01:42:05,760
have list you could have gone back 50

2657
01:42:10,629 --> 01:42:08,159
years and listened to that house of

2658
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:10,639
lords debate that was 10 12 minutes and

2659
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:12,960
it was like going back in time 50 years

2660
01:42:16,470 --> 01:42:14,960
nothing had changed from the 60s

2661
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:16,480
ridiculous

2662
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:18,000
so they are going to get left behind and

2663
01:42:21,669 --> 01:42:20,239
what i can say is

2664
01:42:26,149 --> 01:42:21,679
like

2665
01:42:28,310 --> 01:42:26,159
elizondo become friends with him and

2666
01:42:30,870 --> 01:42:28,320
behind the scenes there is some level of

2667
01:42:33,830 --> 01:42:30,880
stuff going on which i can't discuss so

2668
01:42:36,070 --> 01:42:33,840
they are aware it's a political game

2669
01:42:38,229 --> 01:42:36,080
unfortunately we just need to get the

2670
01:42:40,950 --> 01:42:38,239
media to take up the batten and start

2671
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:40,960
and put pressure on uh because if you if

2672
01:42:45,669 --> 01:42:43,440
you don't report on this and then

2673
01:42:47,990 --> 01:42:45,679
suddenly the us says well actually we've

2674
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:48,000
ruled out for an adversary it does look

2675
01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:49,840
like it's from elsewhere

2676
01:42:53,270 --> 01:42:51,840
then people are going to go what

2677
01:42:54,229 --> 01:42:53,280
we were led to believe there was nothing

2678
01:42:56,470 --> 01:42:54,239
to this

2679
01:42:58,709 --> 01:42:56,480
so there is a paradigm shift coming

2680
01:43:01,189 --> 01:42:58,719
and i don't think that can stop and it's

2681
01:43:02,709 --> 01:43:01,199
going to be sooner rather than late yeah

2682
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:02,719
i think it's going to be within a year

2683
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:04,560
or two to be honest because it all it

2684
01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:07,280
will take is one major incident

2685
01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:09,600
imagine if you had the nimitz incident

2686
01:43:12,870 --> 01:43:11,520
occur tomorrow but it was all

2687
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:12,880
transparent

2688
01:43:17,109 --> 01:43:14,880
and people would be over it like a rash

2689
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:17,119
if it was announced that's

2690
01:43:21,590 --> 01:43:18,960
you know once a year you get maybe a

2691
01:43:24,229 --> 01:43:21,600
worldwide great case that

2692
01:43:26,790 --> 01:43:24,239
attaches a lot of relevance i think that

2693
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:26,800
could happen again we are very close to

2694
01:43:31,270 --> 01:43:29,360
a watershed moment where they're just

2695
01:43:33,669 --> 01:43:31,280
gonna have to come clean the press are

2696
01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:33,679
just beginning to realize that they have

2697
01:43:36,870 --> 01:43:35,280
been deceived

2698
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:36,880
and i tried to give them the benefit and

2699
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:39,360
say look you were we'll take it kindly

2700
01:43:43,990 --> 01:43:42,320
and you were you were taken in as well

2701
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:44,000
but now i'm beginning to think that you

2702
01:43:48,070 --> 01:43:45,840
you really are culpable

2703
01:43:49,189 --> 01:43:48,080
because you are not doing the public's

2704
01:43:51,510 --> 01:43:49,199
work

2705
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:51,520
the media the news are supposed to

2706
01:43:56,550 --> 01:43:53,920
report to the public they are not doing

2707
01:43:58,870 --> 01:43:56,560
so and the only logical explanation is

2708
01:44:00,950 --> 01:43:58,880
that there's a cover-up involving many

2709
01:44:03,830 --> 01:44:00,960
many agencies at the highest level and

2710
01:44:06,310 --> 01:44:03,840
we've kind of known that but in in light

2711
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:06,320
of all the major developments this is

2712
01:44:10,550 --> 01:44:08,560
really untenable because the public are

2713
01:44:12,070 --> 01:44:10,560
going to get to find out sooner or later

2714
01:44:14,070 --> 01:44:12,080
and i think it's going to be sooner that

2715
01:44:15,350 --> 01:44:14,080
this is real a real

2716
01:44:17,189 --> 01:44:15,360
most people aren't even aware that

2717
01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:17,199
they've admitted that they're real as in

2718
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:18,960
craft flying around most people aren't

2719
01:44:24,550 --> 01:44:22,000
aware of that because of the media

2720
01:44:27,109 --> 01:44:24,560
and unless the media opens up

2721
01:44:28,790 --> 01:44:27,119
countries like you know uh you know

2722
01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:28,800
we've got countries like germany where

2723
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:30,639
it's not even recognized

2724
01:44:35,910 --> 01:44:32,880
denmark not recognized it's jokey

2725
01:44:39,030 --> 01:44:35,920
subject it shouldn't be because there is

2726
01:44:41,830 --> 01:44:39,040
so much evidence now especially with the

2727
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:41,840
data coming from modern sensor equipment

2728
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:44,320
from aircraft from aircraft carriers and

2729
01:44:49,750 --> 01:44:47,280
ships etc the data will prove louis

2730
01:44:51,750 --> 01:44:49,760
elizondo went and took carlson yesterday

2731
01:44:53,750 --> 01:44:51,760
and said i'm happy to have this debate

2732
01:44:56,070 --> 01:44:53,760
about foreign adversary he says because

2733
01:44:58,149 --> 01:44:56,080
all we'll do is examine the data and he

2734
01:45:00,550 --> 01:44:58,159
says if the data says that it's not for

2735
01:45:02,070 --> 01:45:00,560
an adversary you've got your answer

2736
01:45:04,310 --> 01:45:02,080
yeah i think that's going to be the

2737
01:45:06,149 --> 01:45:04,320
tipping point for it is when we get

2738
01:45:08,390 --> 01:45:06,159
official announcements coming out from

2739
01:45:10,550 --> 01:45:08,400
the us coming out from elsewhere saying

2740
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:10,560
that they've looked at the evidence to a

2741
01:45:14,709 --> 01:45:12,800
detailed level and they don't believe

2742
01:45:16,709 --> 01:45:14,719
that it's foreign tech

2743
01:45:19,189 --> 01:45:16,719
in other words it's from outside they

2744
01:45:21,189 --> 01:45:19,199
may not say alien but

2745
01:45:22,790 --> 01:45:21,199
i don't think they will stay outside no

2746
01:45:24,390 --> 01:45:22,800
probably not but it will it will just be

2747
01:45:27,109 --> 01:45:24,400
the invention

2748
01:45:30,070 --> 01:45:27,119
we have ruled out foreign tech ruled out

2749
01:45:31,430 --> 01:45:30,080
us tech we're in a stress at the moment

2750
01:45:34,070 --> 01:45:31,440
we're going to end up in a one-horse

2751
01:45:37,270 --> 01:45:34,080
race yeah better yeah when you think

2752
01:45:39,430 --> 01:45:37,280
about it gentlemen uh since 2017 since

2753
01:45:41,189 --> 01:45:39,440
the uh um

2754
01:45:43,189 --> 01:45:41,199
the the new york times article that

2755
01:45:45,590 --> 01:45:43,199
ralph blumenthal and leslie kane and

2756
01:45:49,030 --> 01:45:45,600
helena cooper wrote in 2000 that that to

2757
01:45:51,510 --> 01:45:49,040
me uh to put a religious context to it

2758
01:45:55,229 --> 01:45:51,520
everything that happened before 2017 is

2759
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:55,239
the old testament with respect to uap uh

2760
01:45:59,350 --> 01:45:58,080
2017 december the the twentieth of

2761
01:46:00,709 --> 01:45:59,360
whatever six days

2762
01:46:05,030 --> 01:46:00,719
sixteen

2763
01:46:05,830 --> 01:46:05,040
and if you think about what's happened

2764
01:46:10,709 --> 01:46:05,840
since

2765
01:46:12,629 --> 01:46:10,719
happened in the in the last four to five

2766
01:46:15,189 --> 01:46:12,639
four and a half years that happened in

2767
01:46:17,590 --> 01:46:15,199
the last 50 years with absolutely

2768
01:46:19,270 --> 01:46:17,600
it's it's amazing it's so compressed in

2769
01:46:20,870 --> 01:46:19,280
the way it's been promulgated so what

2770
01:46:23,350 --> 01:46:20,880
i'm going to throw out to you both of

2771
01:46:24,149 --> 01:46:23,360
you gentlemen and everybody if you want

2772
01:46:27,030 --> 01:46:24,159
how

2773
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:27,040
long do you think it will be uh

2774
01:46:30,310 --> 01:46:28,320
considering the compression of

2775
01:46:32,950 --> 01:46:30,320
information that the senate intelligence

2776
01:46:34,470 --> 01:46:32,960
committee uh you know uh will come

2777
01:46:36,870 --> 01:46:34,480
forward with with a with a press

2778
01:46:39,350 --> 01:46:36,880
conference and and and talk about their

2779
01:46:41,109 --> 01:46:39,360
findings if not release information

2780
01:46:42,870 --> 01:46:41,119
when do you see that happening and if

2781
01:46:44,790 --> 01:46:42,880
you do see it happening

2782
01:46:46,550 --> 01:46:44,800
i see uh

2783
01:46:48,470 --> 01:46:46,560
hearings public hearings in america

2784
01:46:49,990 --> 01:46:48,480
within two years

2785
01:46:51,669 --> 01:46:50,000
not no not hearings that's another

2786
01:46:53,990 --> 01:46:51,679
question when do you think that

2787
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:54,000
committee will hold the press conference

2788
01:46:57,990 --> 01:46:56,080
just by themselves

2789
01:47:00,550 --> 01:46:58,000
i think within that kind of time frame

2790
01:47:02,550 --> 01:47:00,560
because once they've analyzed the data

2791
01:47:04,629 --> 01:47:02,560
and the data is overwhelming that it's

2792
01:47:07,510 --> 01:47:04,639
not terrestrial then what do they do

2793
01:47:09,590 --> 01:47:07,520
with it and if they're forced to

2794
01:47:11,669 --> 01:47:09,600
reveal that to the public now because of

2795
01:47:13,109 --> 01:47:11,679
the gillibrand amendment going through

2796
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:13,119
then at some point you're gonna have to

2797
01:47:17,109 --> 01:47:15,119
say well yeah we've looked at the data

2798
01:47:18,629 --> 01:47:17,119
we can't explain it uh you know these

2799
01:47:21,350 --> 01:47:18,639
things are traveling at thirty thousand

2800
01:47:24,390 --> 01:47:21,360
miles and they need they need to prepare

2801
01:47:26,390 --> 01:47:24,400
once the public is open no no they need

2802
01:47:27,830 --> 01:47:26,400
to prepare for all the questions that

2803
01:47:29,669 --> 01:47:27,840
come after

2804
01:47:31,669 --> 01:47:29,679
how many are they that's exactly what

2805
01:47:35,030 --> 01:47:31,679
we're getting at different origins there

2806
01:47:37,590 --> 01:47:35,040
are uh when do they find us

2807
01:47:38,709 --> 01:47:37,600
show is the roswell crash yeah yeah what

2808
01:47:39,830 --> 01:47:38,719
about

2809
01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:39,840
to them

2810
01:47:42,470 --> 01:47:40,960
um

2811
01:47:45,430 --> 01:47:42,480
i mean it should have been like it's so

2812
01:47:47,109 --> 01:47:45,440
complex and so so yeah

2813
01:47:50,149 --> 01:47:47,119
but the but the frightening thing is

2814
01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:50,159
though that the public are in the dark

2815
01:47:55,750 --> 01:47:53,040
the news media have kept them in the

2816
01:47:57,750 --> 01:47:55,760
dark because they've been led by

2817
01:47:58,709 --> 01:47:57,760
governments particularly the american

2818
01:48:01,669 --> 01:47:58,719
government

2819
01:48:03,270 --> 01:48:01,679
that have created this era of 70 years

2820
01:48:05,350 --> 01:48:03,280
of success from their point of keeping

2821
01:48:07,510 --> 01:48:05,360
this subject down but we're on the

2822
01:48:09,510 --> 01:48:07,520
tipping point of where technology is

2823
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:09,520
just going to say and i i was saying

2824
01:48:13,750 --> 01:48:11,840
this 10 years ago that technology will

2825
01:48:16,149 --> 01:48:13,760
change the dynamics and that's what's

2826
01:48:17,750 --> 01:48:16,159
happened and really the the nimitz and

2827
01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:17,760
the sensor data and all that and that

2828
01:48:21,669 --> 01:48:19,360
all the scientific data that's been

2829
01:48:23,189 --> 01:48:21,679
accrued now it's it's you know they

2830
01:48:26,149 --> 01:48:23,199
can't run away from that and that's why

2831
01:48:27,910 --> 01:48:26,159
people like avi love are coming out from

2832
01:48:29,590 --> 01:48:27,920
harvard you would never have got this

2833
01:48:32,629 --> 01:48:29,600
five years ago you wouldn't have got

2834
01:48:34,950 --> 01:48:32,639
this out four years ago but now it is

2835
01:48:37,510 --> 01:48:34,960
still almost excellent

2836
01:48:39,910 --> 01:48:37,520
but still available it's looking still

2837
01:48:41,510 --> 01:48:39,920
at the cosmos of course he is because

2838
01:48:43,590 --> 01:48:41,520
he's far away

2839
01:48:45,990 --> 01:48:43,600
absolutely but the fact that he's even

2840
01:48:48,790 --> 01:48:46,000
willing to include it in the galileo

2841
01:48:50,950 --> 01:48:48,800
project i look at one arm of the three

2842
01:48:52,629 --> 01:48:50,960
things is uap

2843
01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:52,639
and when he's been interviewed he said

2844
01:48:56,870 --> 01:48:55,040
well we have to examine our backyard and

2845
01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:56,880
that's the way he's looked at it you

2846
01:49:01,270 --> 01:48:58,800
know how why should we not examine our

2847
01:49:03,910 --> 01:49:01,280
backyard if we've got material here

2848
01:49:06,229 --> 01:49:03,920
i mean we talked about um

2849
01:49:08,310 --> 01:49:06,239
materials earlier their primary focus is

2850
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:08,320
still causing space

2851
01:49:11,669 --> 01:49:10,080
absolutely yeah but they do have

2852
01:49:13,589 --> 01:49:11,679
interesting comments they've made some

2853
01:49:16,470 --> 01:49:13,599
very interesting comments uh regarding

2854
01:49:18,550 --> 01:49:16,480
the uh u.s announcements uh that lead

2855
01:49:20,870 --> 01:49:18,560
you down the idea that yeah they're

2856
01:49:23,030 --> 01:49:20,880
certainly entertaining the notion

2857
01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:23,040
that yeah

2858
01:49:29,189 --> 01:49:26,239
absolutely uh georgia please

2859
01:49:31,990 --> 01:49:29,199
other countries may easily jump into the

2860
01:49:34,870 --> 01:49:32,000
conversation into the bandwagon don't

2861
01:49:36,709 --> 01:49:34,880
change their inexistent policies to

2862
01:49:38,310 --> 01:49:36,719
become active supporters of the

2863
01:49:41,270 --> 01:49:38,320
conversation

2864
01:49:42,870 --> 01:49:41,280
uh for instance when luis alisondo came

2865
01:49:44,870 --> 01:49:42,880
to peru with

2866
01:49:46,070 --> 01:49:44,880
a unidentified group from history

2867
01:49:49,589 --> 01:49:46,080
channel

2868
01:49:53,350 --> 01:49:49,599
he was very very cordially received by

2869
01:49:55,270 --> 01:49:53,360
the military by the commander general

2870
01:49:58,149 --> 01:49:55,280
and in the conversations because i was

2871
01:50:01,830 --> 01:49:58,159
an interpreter they were willing to work

2872
01:50:02,790 --> 01:50:01,840
together with uh ttsa

2873
01:50:04,390 --> 01:50:02,800
but then

2874
01:50:06,950 --> 01:50:04,400
they changed the

2875
01:50:10,629 --> 01:50:06,960
commander in general was changed for a

2876
01:50:13,750 --> 01:50:10,639
new one and there was no follow-up

2877
01:50:16,149 --> 01:50:13,760
and i met many officers that were

2878
01:50:18,950 --> 01:50:16,159
very willing to share their their their

2879
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:18,960
encounters with ufos and all this

2880
01:50:21,750 --> 01:50:20,000
and

2881
01:50:23,510 --> 01:50:21,760
they thought most of them thought that

2882
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:23,520
they were not from the earth not from

2883
01:50:29,189 --> 01:50:25,760
humanity this be this and

2884
01:50:31,750 --> 01:50:29,199
ufos but they were just waiting for the

2885
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:31,760
moment in which the commander general

2886
01:50:35,910 --> 01:50:33,360
gave the

2887
01:50:37,430 --> 01:50:35,920
suggestion or the order it was okay to

2888
01:50:39,830 --> 01:50:37,440
talk about this

2889
01:50:42,310 --> 01:50:39,840
so there's a great potential in in other

2890
01:50:44,709 --> 01:50:42,320
countries they're just waiting for it to

2891
01:50:46,629 --> 01:50:44,719
have an excuse to change uh you know the

2892
01:50:48,550 --> 01:50:46,639
way they're doing it now

2893
01:50:49,750 --> 01:50:48,560
yeah absolutely yeah one thing i will

2894
01:50:51,589 --> 01:50:49,760
just say about the avilab and the

2895
01:50:54,390 --> 01:50:51,599
galileo project is they have actually

2896
01:50:56,310 --> 01:50:54,400
three avenues of focus with regards to

2897
01:50:57,910 --> 01:50:56,320
the project they have the close the

2898
01:50:59,510 --> 01:50:57,920
cosmos they have

2899
01:51:01,510 --> 01:50:59,520
our local neighborhood let's say but

2900
01:51:05,030 --> 01:51:01,520
they do have a focus

2901
01:51:07,750 --> 01:51:05,040
on low earth orbit in our skies as well

2902
01:51:09,030 --> 01:51:07,760
now it's pretty vague because it's not

2903
01:51:10,629 --> 01:51:09,040
been introduced yet because they're

2904
01:51:12,470 --> 01:51:10,639
still working on it so it'll be

2905
01:51:14,229 --> 01:51:12,480
interesting to see that but one thing i

2906
01:51:16,629 --> 01:51:14,239
will say is we also have other groups

2907
01:51:21,350 --> 01:51:16,639
like uapx who have been out there with

2908
01:51:26,310 --> 01:51:23,669
there's other entities that are in play

2909
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:26,320
right now so 2022 is definitely going to

2910
01:51:31,990 --> 01:51:30,080
be a very interesting year so um what

2911
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:32,000
i'll do before we finish off with it's

2912
01:51:35,270 --> 01:51:33,360
almost 10 minutes till we hit the

2913
01:51:37,589 --> 01:51:35,280
two-hour mark if anyone in the live chat

2914
01:51:38,390 --> 01:51:37,599
has questions to ask please throw them

2915
01:51:39,750 --> 01:51:38,400
up

2916
01:51:41,189 --> 01:51:39,760
as far as while we're waiting for that

2917
01:51:43,910 --> 01:51:41,199
to happen if anybody's got anything they

2918
01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:43,920
want to talk about please go ahead

2919
01:51:47,830 --> 01:51:45,840
just to follow up on georgio's point

2920
01:51:50,709 --> 01:51:47,840
it's a really important point

2921
01:51:52,390 --> 01:51:50,719
this could come from anywhere

2922
01:51:55,270 --> 01:51:52,400
another country somewhere it doesn't

2923
01:51:57,430 --> 01:51:55,280
matter france or portugal or whatever if

2924
01:51:59,669 --> 01:51:57,440
one of their major news networks grabs a

2925
01:52:00,870 --> 01:51:59,679
hold of something and it becomes major

2926
01:52:01,910 --> 01:52:00,880
global news

2927
01:52:03,510 --> 01:52:01,920
it it

2928
01:52:06,790 --> 01:52:03,520
it could go really big it could go

2929
01:52:09,109 --> 01:52:06,800
haywire it could go viral um for example

2930
01:52:12,310 --> 01:52:09,119
what's the what's the the french press

2931
01:52:18,070 --> 01:52:12,320
uh asians france

2932
01:52:21,430 --> 01:52:19,750
yes it's a there's an agency in france

2933
01:52:23,109 --> 01:52:21,440
anyways there's a very large press

2934
01:52:24,950 --> 01:52:23,119
agency in france yes

2935
01:52:27,030 --> 01:52:24,960
that's right it is um

2936
01:52:29,270 --> 01:52:27,040
they they could be the ones to come

2937
01:52:31,510 --> 01:52:29,280
forward it could come out of any country

2938
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:31,520
and all they need to do and this is a

2939
01:52:36,310 --> 01:52:33,840
really important point to to understand

2940
01:52:38,229 --> 01:52:36,320
all they need to do is break ranks with

2941
01:52:41,589 --> 01:52:38,239
international mainstream media break

2942
01:52:44,470 --> 01:52:41,599
ranks with bbc break ramps uh uh ranks

2943
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:44,480
with with nbc and abc cbs

2944
01:52:49,030 --> 01:52:46,880
and and and announced something major it

2945
01:52:50,070 --> 01:52:49,040
could come from anywhere

2946
01:52:52,950 --> 01:52:50,080
um

2947
01:52:55,430 --> 01:52:52,960
my big disappointment was when cbs and

2948
01:52:56,870 --> 01:52:55,440
60 minutes brought forward uh their

2949
01:52:59,669 --> 01:52:56,880
interview

2950
01:53:01,030 --> 01:52:59,679
that that was an amazing 20 minutes

2951
01:53:02,870 --> 01:53:01,040
yes now

2952
01:53:05,669 --> 01:53:02,880
i am just absolutely fraught with

2953
01:53:07,589 --> 01:53:05,679
disappointment why uh 60 minutes is

2954
01:53:09,589 --> 01:53:07,599
sitting on their hands with respect to

2955
01:53:11,990 --> 01:53:09,599
this they're sitting on a bombshell and

2956
01:53:13,669 --> 01:53:12,000
they know it and there's every reason to

2957
01:53:16,149 --> 01:53:13,679
believe that either they're preparing

2958
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:16,159
something uh for this or they're just

2959
01:53:19,510 --> 01:53:17,520
waiting to see what gilderbrand's going

2960
01:53:20,870 --> 01:53:19,520
to be doing with the legislations it's

2961
01:53:23,430 --> 01:53:20,880
got to come from somewhere folks it

2962
01:53:24,870 --> 01:53:23,440
can't sit uh that quietly

2963
01:53:27,270 --> 01:53:24,880
for too much longer

2964
01:53:29,750 --> 01:53:27,280
look at the uh ross coulthard in

2965
01:53:31,990 --> 01:53:29,760
australia he's a top award-winning

2966
01:53:33,750 --> 01:53:32,000
journalist and he's doing great work now

2967
01:53:36,390 --> 01:53:33,760
promoting this subject saying look this

2968
01:53:38,550 --> 01:53:36,400
is real we have to deal with this as a

2969
01:53:40,390 --> 01:53:38,560
as a global entity we have to deal with

2970
01:53:42,310 --> 01:53:40,400
this now he's come out the woodwork

2971
01:53:44,229 --> 01:53:42,320
literally in the last year and he's now

2972
01:53:46,709 --> 01:53:44,239
doing great work promoting the subject

2973
01:53:48,709 --> 01:53:46,719
yeah all of this is a positive you know

2974
01:53:49,910 --> 01:53:48,719
so i think more and more things like

2975
01:53:51,990 --> 01:53:49,920
that are going to happen people are

2976
01:53:53,669 --> 01:53:52,000
going to break ranks because they know

2977
01:53:56,229 --> 01:53:53,679
that eventually it's going to be like a

2978
01:53:58,470 --> 01:53:56,239
dam i've always likened it to a dam that

2979
01:54:00,149 --> 01:53:58,480
once you keep taking the bricks out and

2980
01:54:01,589 --> 01:54:00,159
piling up behind that pressure

2981
01:54:03,830 --> 01:54:01,599
eventually the damage just going to

2982
01:54:05,430 --> 01:54:03,840
collapse and then it's a free-for-all

2983
01:54:06,950 --> 01:54:05,440
and they're all going to be wall-to-wall

2984
01:54:08,470 --> 01:54:06,960
coverage and you'll know that you're in

2985
01:54:10,790 --> 01:54:08,480
a disclosure world because you're going

2986
01:54:12,950 --> 01:54:10,800
to be 24 7 news like a terrorist

2987
01:54:15,109 --> 01:54:12,960
incident that's when we get a critical

2988
01:54:16,629 --> 01:54:15,119
mass exactly yeah um we've got some

2989
01:54:18,229 --> 01:54:16,639
questions to the first one from my

2990
01:54:20,709 --> 01:54:18,239
friend spaghetti does isa have a

2991
01:54:23,430 --> 01:54:20,719
long-term strategy to approach the un

2992
01:54:26,310 --> 01:54:23,440
and make this an international issue now

2993
01:54:28,229 --> 01:54:26,320
isn't that project titan um

2994
01:54:31,430 --> 01:54:28,239
it's one of many there's there's many

2995
01:54:34,390 --> 01:54:31,440
approaches to isa the first u.n approach

2996
01:54:36,709 --> 01:54:34,400
is via operation titan and we need to

2997
01:54:39,189 --> 01:54:36,719
give that time to see if that will

2998
01:54:41,270 --> 01:54:39,199
develop there's no point in doing all

2999
01:54:43,350 --> 01:54:41,280
several things at the same time

3000
01:54:45,350 --> 01:54:43,360
because type might be accepted and that

3001
01:54:48,229 --> 01:54:45,360
takes us into a different route

3002
01:54:51,270 --> 01:54:48,239
of acceptance and the u.n backing etc so

3003
01:54:53,510 --> 01:54:51,280
the idea is isa is here for the long

3004
01:54:55,270 --> 01:54:53,520
term we're an international ngo and

3005
01:54:57,430 --> 01:54:55,280
we're around

3006
01:54:59,510 --> 01:54:57,440
forever i guess hopefully people will

3007
01:55:00,149 --> 01:54:59,520
replace us and carry on and up the chain

3008
01:55:01,589 --> 01:55:00,159
and

3009
01:55:03,510 --> 01:55:01,599
hopefully we'll carry on for many

3010
01:55:04,470 --> 01:55:03,520
decades to come but you have to start

3011
01:55:06,149 --> 01:55:04,480
somewhere

3012
01:55:08,870 --> 01:55:06,159
and we've got to earn our place at the

3013
01:55:10,709 --> 01:55:08,880
top table but yes our aim is to keep

3014
01:55:12,390 --> 01:55:10,719
going to the un because that's

3015
01:55:14,709 --> 01:55:12,400
ultimately where we need to bring this

3016
01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:14,719
subject onto a global scale

3017
01:55:18,149 --> 01:55:16,080
absolutely

3018
01:55:20,070 --> 01:55:18,159
this question is aimed at me but i don't

3019
01:55:21,430 --> 01:55:20,080
think i can answer it it says

3020
01:55:23,189 --> 01:55:21,440
vinnie what would it take for the

3021
01:55:25,830 --> 01:55:23,199
president of the us and other countries

3022
01:55:28,870 --> 01:55:25,840
to officially use the words non-human or

3023
01:55:34,149 --> 01:55:28,880
definitely not human on tv we need that

3024
01:55:36,870 --> 01:55:34,159
word used hopeless or not anybody

3025
01:55:39,990 --> 01:55:36,880
i i i would say that that is

3026
01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:40,000
that is going to be the kind of phrasing

3027
01:55:43,430 --> 01:55:41,760
that will eventually be used at the

3028
01:55:45,109 --> 01:55:43,440
moment we're in this halfway house

3029
01:55:46,390 --> 01:55:45,119
foreign adversary

3030
01:55:48,310 --> 01:55:46,400
china russia

3031
01:55:50,070 --> 01:55:48,320
or other nobody wants to talk about

3032
01:55:52,229 --> 01:55:50,080
other in terms of the mainstream but

3033
01:55:55,430 --> 01:55:52,239
eventually if they study the data which

3034
01:55:57,669 --> 01:55:55,440
is what larvae love is after what louise

3035
01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:57,679
elizando is after once that's all stood

3036
01:56:00,709 --> 01:55:59,040
eventually they're gonna have to report

3037
01:56:01,990 --> 01:56:00,719
to the congress if the gila brand

3038
01:56:04,149 --> 01:56:02,000
amendment goes through and say well

3039
01:56:05,910 --> 01:56:04,159
absolutely yeah we looked at the data

3040
01:56:08,310 --> 01:56:05,920
these crafts can do things that we can't

3041
01:56:10,229 --> 01:56:08,320
do technologically they're way beyond us

3042
01:56:11,990 --> 01:56:10,239
uh at some point there the president's

3043
01:56:14,229 --> 01:56:12,000
gonna have to stand up or a police

3044
01:56:16,070 --> 01:56:14,239
senior political figure has got to say

3045
01:56:17,589 --> 01:56:16,080
well we we did think it was foreign

3046
01:56:19,830 --> 01:56:17,599
adversary but actually we've ruled that

3047
01:56:21,830 --> 01:56:19,840
out and then the press will go what so

3048
01:56:24,229 --> 01:56:21,840
you mean it's non-human and you'll have

3049
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:24,239
to say well it's it's off the planet

3050
01:56:29,270 --> 01:56:25,760
well you have

3051
01:56:31,189 --> 01:56:29,280
uh on uh just last month

3052
01:56:35,589 --> 01:56:31,199
uh with the um

3053
01:56:40,550 --> 01:56:39,430
asked specifically avril hines about the

3054
01:56:43,030 --> 01:56:40,560
other

3055
01:56:45,430 --> 01:56:43,040
yeah and she replied extra the

3056
01:56:46,790 --> 01:56:45,440
hypothesis of extraterrestrial so she

3057
01:56:48,790 --> 01:56:46,800
gave it open

3058
01:56:49,910 --> 01:56:48,800
yeah absolutely so the time times are

3059
01:56:51,830 --> 01:56:49,920
changing

3060
01:56:54,390 --> 01:56:51,840
significantly if not

3061
01:56:57,109 --> 01:56:54,400
yeah if anyone wants to read a good

3062
01:56:58,550 --> 01:56:57,119
piece on that uh richard dolan and the

3063
01:57:00,070 --> 01:56:58,560
title of the book doesn't come to me

3064
01:57:01,830 --> 01:57:00,080
right now where richard dolan wrote a

3065
01:57:03,669 --> 01:57:01,840
book um

3066
01:57:06,229 --> 01:57:03,679
people's guide to disclosure i think is

3067
01:57:08,709 --> 01:57:06,239
called and in in the book he's got a

3068
01:57:11,030 --> 01:57:08,719
section of it after disclosure was the

3069
01:57:13,350 --> 01:57:11,040
book that's right with me right and in

3070
01:57:16,709 --> 01:57:13,360
in it there's a chapter on a friday

3071
01:57:19,510 --> 01:57:16,719
afternoon press conference where he he

3072
01:57:21,430 --> 01:57:19,520
synthesizes what his speculation might

3073
01:57:23,030 --> 01:57:21,440
be about with the president coming

3074
01:57:26,229 --> 01:57:23,040
forward after all this information has

3075
01:57:28,310 --> 01:57:26,239
come and he actually stands before uh

3076
01:57:30,870 --> 01:57:28,320
the the press corps in in in the white

3077
01:57:32,950 --> 01:57:30,880
house press room and talks about

3078
01:57:34,790 --> 01:57:32,960
uh

3079
01:57:37,270 --> 01:57:34,800
my fellow americans we now have

3080
01:57:39,350 --> 01:57:37,280
information regarding and he goes on and

3081
01:57:40,790 --> 01:57:39,360
on and he uses those exact words that

3082
01:57:43,669 --> 01:57:40,800
the that the question could just throw

3083
01:57:45,910 --> 01:57:43,679
at you it's it's a very stunning uh kind

3084
01:57:47,669 --> 01:57:45,920
of scenario it's almost chilling with

3085
01:57:48,950 --> 01:57:47,679
respect to people sitting around you

3086
01:57:49,990 --> 01:57:48,960
know the dinner table and listening to

3087
01:57:52,390 --> 01:57:50,000
the president talking about

3088
01:57:54,310 --> 01:57:52,400
extraterrestrials on on friday night tv

3089
01:57:56,229 --> 01:57:54,320
it's a it's a really good explanation as

3090
01:57:57,350 --> 01:57:56,239
to how he thinks that just might play

3091
01:57:58,870 --> 01:57:57,360
out so

3092
01:58:00,149 --> 01:57:58,880
if you get a chance

3093
01:58:01,990 --> 01:58:00,159
have a look at that it's really kind of

3094
01:58:03,910 --> 01:58:02,000
interesting the way richard does it but

3095
01:58:05,669 --> 01:58:03,920
yeah good book yeah i think it would um

3096
01:58:08,149 --> 01:58:05,679
i mean it would blow the lid off the box

3097
01:58:09,189 --> 01:58:08,159
basically and there would be so many

3098
01:58:12,470 --> 01:58:09,199
questions

3099
01:58:14,790 --> 01:58:12,480
from all aspects of society not not just

3100
01:58:15,910 --> 01:58:14,800
public scientists and biologists etc

3101
01:58:17,350 --> 01:58:15,920
would just be

3102
01:58:18,790 --> 01:58:17,360
they all want to be they don't want a

3103
01:58:22,629 --> 01:58:18,800
piece of the party they don't want to

3104
01:58:28,390 --> 01:58:25,750
the downside of say america

3105
01:58:30,790 --> 01:58:28,400
announcing the reality is they're not

3106
01:58:32,470 --> 01:58:30,800
going to come out of this very well

3107
01:58:34,070 --> 01:58:32,480
because then it's a free-for-all why

3108
01:58:36,870 --> 01:58:34,080
didn't you tell us when did you know

3109
01:58:38,870 --> 01:58:36,880
this and there you know and i and in the

3110
01:58:40,229 --> 01:58:38,880
same way that south africa got rid of

3111
01:58:42,390 --> 01:58:40,239
apartheid through truth and

3112
01:58:44,310 --> 01:58:42,400
reconciliation i actually think that

3113
01:58:46,390 --> 01:58:44,320
would be a mechanism to deal with the

3114
01:58:47,750 --> 01:58:46,400
people that's covered this up because we

3115
01:58:49,430 --> 01:58:47,760
don't want to send people to prison but

3116
01:58:51,910 --> 01:58:49,440
we just don't need them to acknowledge

3117
01:58:53,270 --> 01:58:51,920
that they lied they did it for maybe the

3118
01:58:55,109 --> 01:58:53,280
right reasons or what they thought were

3119
01:58:57,109 --> 01:58:55,119
the right reasons but we have to move on

3120
01:58:58,790 --> 01:58:57,119
but we have to get beyond this now say

3121
01:59:00,790 --> 01:58:58,800
look we're in a different world let's

3122
01:59:07,210 --> 01:59:00,800
move forward

3123
01:59:07,220 --> 01:59:15,030
[Music]

3124
01:59:18,629 --> 01:59:17,510
the guilt in any other

3125
01:59:20,709 --> 01:59:18,639
absolutely

3126
01:59:22,229 --> 01:59:20,719
organization or people that have already

3127
01:59:23,669 --> 01:59:22,239
died um

3128
01:59:25,030 --> 01:59:23,679
absolutely they'll try to yeah

3129
01:59:27,030 --> 01:59:25,040
scapegoats that's the word yeah they

3130
01:59:28,390 --> 01:59:27,040
will try to make escape yachts but we

3131
01:59:30,149 --> 01:59:28,400
have to move on beyond this and there

3132
01:59:31,669 --> 01:59:30,159
will be a floodgates at some point and

3133
01:59:33,510 --> 01:59:31,679
it's going to be a very difficult time

3134
01:59:35,189 --> 01:59:33,520
for america because they've been the

3135
01:59:36,709 --> 01:59:35,199
architects of the cover up for over 70

3136
01:59:37,750 --> 01:59:36,719
years so there's going to be a lot of

3137
01:59:39,589 --> 01:59:37,760
questions

3138
01:59:42,070 --> 01:59:39,599
and vinnie this this type of program

3139
01:59:43,350 --> 01:59:42,080
this type of podcast is one of the steps

3140
01:59:45,589 --> 01:59:43,360
in the right direction i've got to

3141
01:59:48,310 --> 01:59:45,599
congratulate you guys it's an absolutely

3142
01:59:49,830 --> 01:59:48,320
amazing way of handling this and uh

3143
01:59:51,990 --> 01:59:49,840
you've got you've got a great technique

3144
01:59:53,750 --> 01:59:52,000
so thank you so much for for doing this

3145
01:59:55,589 --> 01:59:53,760
you're doing you're playing a part of

3146
01:59:57,109 --> 01:59:55,599
the whole of the whole scenario and how

3147
01:59:59,189 --> 01:59:57,119
this is going to unfold because this is

3148
02:00:01,910 --> 01:59:59,199
how it is we're all in this together

3149
02:00:03,589 --> 02:00:01,920
we're all in this together

3150
02:00:04,629 --> 02:00:03,599
that means that means so much victor

3151
02:00:07,189 --> 02:00:04,639
thank you and thank you all of you

3152
02:00:08,790 --> 02:00:07,199
gentlemen and you know i want to be that

3153
02:00:10,950 --> 02:00:08,800
connect i want to be that connect where

3154
02:00:12,550 --> 02:00:10,960
isaac can come and talk to the public

3155
02:00:14,870 --> 02:00:12,560
and and they can see what you're doing

3156
02:00:16,310 --> 02:00:14,880
and it's not just going to your website

3157
02:00:18,070 --> 02:00:16,320
which is great and going to your

3158
02:00:20,149 --> 02:00:18,080
facebook which is great but they can

3159
02:00:21,430 --> 02:00:20,159
hear from you and if i could be the

3160
02:00:24,149 --> 02:00:21,440
medium for that

3161
02:00:30,550 --> 02:00:24,159
the website is institutional right yeah

3162
02:00:34,950 --> 02:00:32,790
that person that asked about the

3163
02:00:35,910 --> 02:00:34,960
engaging with the public

3164
02:00:38,390 --> 02:00:35,920
um

3165
02:00:40,550 --> 02:00:38,400
maybe in a couple of months during next

3166
02:00:43,270 --> 02:00:40,560
year we have some we will have something

3167
02:00:45,270 --> 02:00:43,280
for the in terms of engaging with the

3168
02:00:47,270 --> 02:00:45,280
general public but we'll see

3169
02:00:48,310 --> 02:00:47,280
it's there's a there's a project that

3170
02:00:49,990 --> 02:00:48,320
will

3171
02:00:51,589 --> 02:00:50,000
eventually there's things going on

3172
02:00:53,430 --> 02:00:51,599
behind the scenes like with any

3173
02:00:57,189 --> 02:00:53,440
organization plenty of things behind the

3174
02:00:58,709 --> 02:00:57,199
scenes or in the back office of course

3175
02:01:00,310 --> 02:00:58,719
we'll come out

3176
02:01:01,990 --> 02:01:00,320
well listen we've just hit the two hour

3177
02:01:04,870 --> 02:01:02,000
mark so i think this is a good point to

3178
02:01:06,709 --> 02:01:04,880
end it on and gary and and francisco you

3179
02:01:09,910 --> 02:01:06,719
mentioned there's things in the works

3180
02:01:11,430 --> 02:01:09,920
that we may hear about in early 2022. so

3181
02:01:13,189 --> 02:01:11,440
by all means let's do this again when

3182
02:01:15,350 --> 02:01:13,199
you have announcements to make sure that

3183
02:01:16,310 --> 02:01:15,360
we you can spread that thank you for the

3184
02:01:18,709 --> 02:01:16,320
opportunity

3185
02:01:21,510 --> 02:01:18,719
okay that's my pleasure but uh thank you

3186
02:01:23,830 --> 02:01:21,520
all so much and i'm just going to do a

3187
02:01:26,470 --> 02:01:23,840
quick announcement for my followers

3188
02:01:28,390 --> 02:01:26,480
before we end so starting tomorrow my

3189
02:01:30,390 --> 02:01:28,400
good friend james ian doley from

3190
02:01:33,189 --> 02:01:30,400
engaging the phenomena is starting what

3191
02:01:35,350 --> 02:01:33,199
we are calling contact week for one week

3192
02:01:38,390 --> 02:01:35,360
many channels across youtube and social

3193
02:01:40,149 --> 02:01:38,400
media are talking about contact i am

3194
02:01:43,189 --> 02:01:40,159
having an interview this coming tuesday

3195
02:01:45,750 --> 02:01:43,199
with melinda leslie here on this channel

3196
02:01:48,070 --> 02:01:45,760
and then also on december 17th my good

3197
02:01:51,189 --> 02:01:48,080
friend sean at witness citizen is having

3198
02:01:53,830 --> 02:01:51,199
an eight hour livestream event on end

3199
02:01:54,950 --> 02:01:53,840
uap secrecy with people like ross

3200
02:01:57,430 --> 02:01:54,960
coulthard

3201
02:02:00,790 --> 02:01:57,440
uh we're having john ramirez ralph

3202
02:02:02,229 --> 02:02:00,800
blumenthal many people across a towers i

3203
02:02:05,030 --> 02:02:02,239
will be there for the full eight hours

3204
02:02:06,070 --> 02:02:05,040
co-hosting um so please come and join us

3205
02:02:09,270 --> 02:02:06,080
on that

3206
02:02:11,430 --> 02:02:09,280
um and yeah that's it so gentlemen thank

3207
02:02:12,709 --> 02:02:11,440
you so much if you could hang around

3208
02:02:14,629 --> 02:02:12,719
so we can have a little debrief

3209
02:02:16,629 --> 02:02:14,639
afterwards to everybody that's been here

3210
02:02:19,189 --> 02:02:16,639
watching live thank you so much i really

3211
02:02:22,950 --> 02:02:19,199
appreciate all of you being here and um

3212
02:02:24,229 --> 02:02:22,960
i hope to see you again soon thank you

3213
02:02:26,390 --> 02:02:24,239
thank you